Can there be disciplined water conservation without water charges, contrary to economic pricing theory?

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They could always bring their own water. Do they currently pay you for the electricity they use? What about the food they eat, or do you make them starve? Do you eat your own meals in front of them or put them outside the door for the duration?
They don't use any additional electricity. They contribute to the food and drink stash.
 


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They don't use any additional electricity. They contribute to the food and drink stash.
Nice guests. Perhaps they will contribute to the water charge by bringing their own bottles of water. Maybe you could politely ask them to bring their own tea bags, coffee and milk....oops, I almost forgot about the sugar. Wouldn't want you to feel out of pocket as a result of people spending time with you.
 
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Nice guests. Perhaps they will contribute to the water charge by bringing their own bottles of water. Maybe you could politely ask them to bring their own tea bags, coffee and milk....oops, I almost forgot about the sugar. Wouldn't want you to feel out of pocket as a result of people spending time with you.
Obviously you don't suffer due to the expense of socialising in this country, but many people do.

Many, many people do.
 

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I'm curious, how much would the water in one cup of tea cost under IW water charges?
The water would cost less than the electricity used to boil it.
 

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Its MAFs interpretation of my post that gave me cause to question his sanity. That was clear even for you water protester crowd. Just another example I suppose of how you guys twist everything to suit your arguments.

How would you like to divvy up all revenue of government and tell us where the waste is, in fine detail? We can all point to one or two areas but the water crisis, and it is a crisis, requires far more investment than is available. It needs to be paid for and the current system (pre water charges) clearly is not adequate or working.

Would I support cutting vat and motor tax commensurate with the amounts associated with the elimination of rates, yes I would but water charges per use is something I support. Why should a person on buttons of wages have with no car, no family, no pool, garden etc have to fund the guys with big cars being washed weekly from a hose, a big garden and lawn watered every few days, pools etc etc?
If we are talking levels of sanity here then believing that there is a water crisis in Ireland is only a step or two away from the asylum.
 

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Could a water charge please justify them in any other terms than they think somebody else might be getting more from the state than they, a low income family trying to keep clean and healthy for instance.
 
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Years ago,I explained to a new Irish emigrant in the US that the traditional once or twice a week Irish bath or shower wouldn't do in the hot humid US summers. A daily shower seemed extreme to her.
America, where the scare about global water shortages probably originated, is an interesting case as they would appear to use around 350 litres per day per person, at least three times as much as Ireland.

Estimates vary, but each person uses about 80-100 gallons of water per day (that would be US gallons)

Per capita water use. Water questions and answers; USGS Water Science School

So we can see that there may well be concern stateside.

However, here in Ireland we use less than 5% of the fresh water available to us, we are down there with the Scandinavian countries when it comes to this, so trying to transfer the logic of American environmental concerns and applying it to a country that enjoys fresh water as an abundant natural resource is misguided at best and downright mendacious at worst.

So that leaves us with the question of why the need for water conservation is being so ardently touted by the IW fans? They would argue that water needs processing and distributing, which is true, but we are also told that nearly 50% of that water is lost from the pipes before it even gets to the house! So, they argue, it is only sensible to spend over a billion upon a billing system rather than increasing the ongoing investment in the infrastructure. They talk about boil notices while spending millions on metres, they shout about turds on the beaches yet pay hundreds of thousands to mindless suits in an office and then claim the protestors are mad!!

Verily there is something truly amiss in the minds of those who support the charges.
 

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Why does that matter?

Just to answer your question, I don't know. I'm not sure too many do, but that does not matter. People should pay for the water they use. The current arbitrary charges are meaningless.
Well if it shows that Irish people are already the most frugal users of water even when compared to nations with established water charges, then surely the case for using water charges for conservation is weakened...

However the case for paying for the infrastructure remains..
 

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Years ago,I explained to a new Irish emigrant in the US that the traditional once or twice a week Irish bath or shower wouldn't do in the hot humid US summers. A daily shower seemed extreme to her.
Are you for real?

One person with poor personal hygiene is your reason for comparatively lower water consumption?
 

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I don't think there can. I remember one person saying once they realised that the water meters were no longer being used to measure charges they left the tap running for a couple of hours to "exercise his rights" and mark a "great victory".

Also when people did think that they would be charged per usage which happened for about a month or so there was a marked decrease in the use of water. I don't know how you will achieve that any other way.
 

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I don't think there can. I remember one person saying once they realised that the water meters were no longer being used to measure charges they left the tap running for a couple of hours to "exercise his rights" and mark a "great victory".

Also when people did think that they would be charged per usage which happened for about a month or so there was a marked decrease in the use of water. I don't know how you will achieve that any other way.
That person would be an idiot.
 

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Are you for real?

One person with poor personal hygiene is your reason for comparatively lower water consumption?
It was merely an anecdote, what does appear to be the case though is that on average Americans use three times as much water perperson as the Irish.
 

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I don't think there can. I remember one person saying once they realised that the water meters were no longer being used to measure charges they left the tap running for a couple of hours to "exercise his rights" and mark a "great victory".

Also when people did think that they would be charged per usage which happened for about a month or so there was a marked decrease in the use of water. I don't know how you will achieve that any other way.
Much like your signature, complete and utter guff. Yer a fantasist, simple as that really.

Not one person would have left their taps on all night in victory. And this is from someone who finds the most infamous water protesters incorrigible.

Again, yer a fantasist and probably a schizophrenic who isn't taking his tablets
 

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How about a referendum on Irish Water and water charges?

Anything over 50% wins and the others shut up and go away.
 

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How about a referendum on Irish Water and water charges?

Anything over 50% wins and the others shut up and go away.
But water charges are a done deal and it was only the trots and general scum who objected I distinctly remember you saying (or words very much to that effect). Now you are telling us they're worth a referendum! Are you admitting that you were wrong?
 

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If we are talking levels of sanity here then believing that there is a water crisis in Ireland is only a step or two away from the asylum.
You see, there you go again. I suppose you don't think there are boil notices, under pressure treatment plants, sewage problems or circa 50% leakage in some parts.

Yeah right!!
 

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The fact the forming of a government has been held up because of water charges, should inform all the abusers of the water protesters just how powerful those protests were.....:lol:
 

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Giving any valuable resource away for free at the point of use is not economically sensible.

That is why so few countries do it.
 


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