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Cancer is a Man Made Disease


Cael

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Cancer is a man-made disease caused by modern day environmental factors such as pollution and diet, a new study suggests.

After analysing the remains of hundreds of Egyptian mummies, researchers at the University of Manchester concluded that cancer was extremely rare in ancient times.

Ancient Greek literature rarely refers to illnesses resembling cancer, and there is scant evidence of tumour growth in animal fossils and non-human primates, the researchers said.

Cancer rates in have risen massively since the Industrial Revolution, in particular childhood cancer, suggesting that the rise is not simply due to people living longer.

Professor Rosalie David, an expert in biomedical Egyptology said: “In industrialised societies, cancer is second only to cardiovascular disease as a cause of death. But in ancient times, it was extremely rare.

There is nothing in the natural environment that can cause cancer. So it has to be a man-made disease, down to pollution and changes to our diet and lifestyle.

“The important thing about our study is that it gives a historical perspective to this disease. We can make very clear statements on the cancer rates in societies because we have a full overview. We have looked at millennia, not one hundred years, and have masses of data.”

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Cancer is a man made disease
 

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Very interesting topic.

Bit hard to make that case for skin cancer caused by UV light though, unless maybe the sudden exposure from indoors all the time to soaking up too much sunlight is to blame.

They also smoked plants (lung cancer) back then.

They didn't live very long on average and cancer needs time to work.

You are incorrect in claiming that nothing in the natural environment is carcinogenic, cook a steak, it is crawling with carcinogens - many foods are but especially meats (amines), then as i said there is also the sun. Cancer is natural, a consequence of the complicated nature of our cellular genetics and it's reliance on making copies of these complicated nucleic acids (which allows things to go wrong), given how many times it is copied and how complex it is it's amazing the good job our body does in preventing the errors that can lead to cancer.

I am also not sure that analysing merely 'hundreds of mummies' is enough to claim that it was 'very rare'.
 

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Thanks interesting.


Cancer is more likely as you grow older and the ancients tended to die young.

The childhood comment would therefore be very significant.

We live in a world surrounded by substances that can cause cancer.
 

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Well as a cancer patient, there is no doubt that modern factors do influence cancer and the cause of it.

But its 2010 and nobody really knows what causes cancer, but modern science would tend to fall into the line that its genetic, ie dna based.

Mankind is evolving daily, and there is new things being discovered about us and cancer daily, if the theory is based solely on mummified dummies I would question the study.

There are many cancers that are only prevalent to white people, asian, hispanic, and black people simply do not get certain types of cancer, due to life styles, diet, dna etc.

But to blame industrialisation alone is nonsense, as the number of factors contribute, it should also be mentioned that industrialisation now cures more cancers than it ever did and will continue to do so.

At the OP, to use cancer to further your political view, is simply disqusting, you really are a poor excuse for a human being, and should be ashamed of yourself. You clearly have no appreciation of what this disease is or how it affects families on a daily basis.
 

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In The Sceptical Environmentalist there's a statistical analysis of the sources of cancer. Less than 2% comes from pollution. Almost two-thirds of cancers come from smoking and fatty foods, in other words from people's behavioural decisions not the environment.

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Cancer is a man-made disease caused by modern day environmental factors such as pollution and diet, a new study suggests.

After analysing the remains of hundreds of Egyptian mummies, researchers at the University of Manchester concluded that cancer was extremely rare in ancient times.

Ancient Greek literature rarely refers to illnesses resembling cancer, and there is scant evidence of tumour growth in animal fossils and non-human primates, the researchers said.

Cancer rates in have risen massively since the Industrial Revolution, in particular childhood cancer, suggesting that the rise is not simply due to people living longer.

Professor Rosalie David, an expert in biomedical Egyptology said: “In industrialised societies, cancer is second only to cardiovascular disease as a cause of death. But in ancient times, it was extremely rare.

There is nothing in the natural environment that can cause cancer. So it has to be a man-made disease, down to pollution and changes to our diet and lifestyle.

“The important thing about our study is that it gives a historical perspective to this disease. We can make very clear statements on the cancer rates in societies because we have a full overview. We have looked at millennia, not one hundred years, and have masses of data.”

Full article:

Cancer is a man made disease
Yet there are medieval tracts in which is mentioned a condition of cankers, 'growths that may appear on or in the body'.

It is not that modern lifestyles have caused cancers, it is that we are more aware of their existence. We also investigate the causes of death in much more detail than was done in the past.
A peasant dying of cancer was not noted as a death by canker, it was just another death and he was buried.

edit.
The use of mummies as the base examples focuses on the highest levels of Egyptian society, ignoring the huge peasant population.
 

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Cancer rates are affected by diet and location that is true.

But there is no guarantee against getting it no matter who or where you are.

Don't smoke, eat in moderation and take exercise & avoid dealing with in or near industrial waste products all help to lessen your chances.
 

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Yet there are medieval tracts in which is mentioned a condition of cankers, 'growths that may appear on or in the body'.

It is not that modern lifestyles have caused cancers, it is that we are more aware of their existence. We also investigate the causes of death in much more detail than was done in the past.
A peasant dying of cancer was not noted as a death by canker, it was just another death and he was buried.

edit.
The use of mummies as the base examples focuses on the highest levels of Egyptian society, ignoring the huge peasant population.
If I remember Herodotus correctly, mummification was not solely for the upper classes. Poorer types could opt for a less extravagant form of it. That said, it is not clear here what class of mummies were used in the analysis.


From Wikipedia:

Grmek and Gourevitch speculate that during the Classical Greek Period, anyone who made it past the age of five years — surviving all the common childhood illness of that day — had a reasonable chance of living to a ripe old age. Life expectancy at 400 B.C. was estimated to be around 30 years of age. One demographer of ancient civilizations reported that Greek men lived to 45 years (based on a sample size of 91), while women lived to 36.2 years (based on a sample size of 55).
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With a life-expectancy (after childhood, I assume, from the above) of 45, and many of course living beyond the average, cancer would surely have been common enough not to be unknown; unless the thesis in the article is correct.
 

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Amazing!
Nine posts and not a word about Windscale, Sellafield or the famous "clusters".
Sir Charles must be on holidays? :confused:
 

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Environmental causes such as smoking, diet, work environment, radon, etc.. are responsible for a third of all cancers, two thirds are down old age, viruses, inflamation, etc.., cancer has been around as long as DNA, well before man

As we age, there is an increase in the number of possible cancer-causing mutations in our DNA. This makes age an important risk factor for cancer. Several viruses are known to cause cancer such as: human papillomavirus (a cause of cervical cancer), hepatitis B and C (causes of liver cancer), and Epstein-Barr virus (a cause of some childhood cancers). Human imunodeficiency virus (HIV) - and anything else that suppresses or weakens the immune system - inhibits the body's ability to fight infections and increases the chance of developing cancer.
 

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While there are many causes of cancer, some of which may be made worse by the modern lifestyle, I have some serious doubts about this article. Just off the bat, they mention:

"As the team moved through the ages, it was not until the 17th century that they found descriptions of operations for breast and other cancers."

They are described as having extensively studied mummies, but some of the oldest cases of and treatments for Cancer come from Egypt. Interesting stuff here on descriptions of and treatments for breast cancer and so on;

History of cancer from MedicineWorld.Org

So if they're flat out wrong about that, I'd wonder about the rest too. It doesn't invalidate all of their claims, of course, it just points to a need to be skeptical.
 

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Cancer is a man-made disease caused by modern day environmental factors such as pollution and diet, a new study suggests.

After analysing the remains of hundreds of Egyptian mummies, researchers at the University of Manchester concluded that cancer was extremely rare in ancient times.

Ancient Greek literature rarely refers to illnesses resembling cancer, and there is scant evidence of tumour growth in animal fossils and non-human primates, the researchers said.

Cancer rates in have risen massively since the Industrial Revolution, in particular childhood cancer, suggesting that the rise is not simply due to people living longer.

Professor Rosalie David, an expert in biomedical Egyptology said: “In industrialised societies, cancer is second only to cardiovascular disease as a cause of death. But in ancient times, it was extremely rare.

There is nothing in the natural environment that can cause cancer. So it has to be a man-made disease, down to pollution and changes to our diet and lifestyle.

“The important thing about our study is that it gives a historical perspective to this disease. We can make very clear statements on the cancer rates in societies because we have a full overview. We have looked at millennia, not one hundred years, and have masses of data.”

Full article:

Cancer is a man made disease
Life expectancy in ancient Eygpt was very low, probably no more than 35, King Tutankhamun died at the age of about 18 years, yet in his own society he was already 'mature' in terms of family and kingly responsibility.
 

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Early detection is key. If a cancer is found at an early stage there is a very good chance of having curative surgery without any need for chemo or radiotherapy.

In an ideal world, everyone would undergo blood tests, scopes, MRI or CT scanning every three years. It would saves the lives of thousands of people. If you have very good health insurance or if are lucky enough to be able to book yourself in and pay for these tests, then you really should.

Whatever the causes, the old rule of everything in moderation seems to be the best advice. Fats, alcohol and smoking are very damaging. Regular exercise, even just a 30 minute walk or a cycle every day and some hill walking at the weekend would make a big difference. Not only does it strengthen your defenses but it also helps to rid your body of toxins.

And avoid stress as much as you can. I firmly believe that stress is a factor.
 

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If cancer is man-made, why is it found in wild and domestic animals? It's been found in lions and tigers and evidence was found for it in dinosaur bones!

It is particularly prevalent in domestic pets, particularly elderly pets. I lost 2 old dogs to cancer - one to malignant melanoma and one to sarcoma. Cats and dogs both develop mammary tumours if they are unspayed. There may be a dietary link because it seems to be more prevalent in carnivores.
 

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Early detection is key. If a cancer is found at an early stage there is a very good chance of having curative surgery without any need for chemo or radiotherapy.

In an ideal world, everyone would undergo blood tests, scopes, MRI or CT scanning every three years. It would saves the lives of thousands of people. If you have very good health insurance or if are lucky enough to be able to book yourself in and pay for these tests, then you really should.

Whatever the causes, the old rule of everything in moderation seems to be the best advice. Fats, alcohol and smoking are very damaging. Regular exercise, even just a 30 minute walk or a cycle every day and some hill walking at the weekend would make a big difference. Not only does it strengthen your defenses but it also helps to rid your body of toxins.

And avoid stress as much as you can. I firmly believe that stress is a factor.
This is a very good and informed post.
 

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I seem to remember James Lovelock saying in his book "The Revenge of Gaia" that oxygen would get everybody in the end. That if nothing else killed you a cancer caused by oxygen would. He maintained that oxygen was the biggest cause of cancer. However I think he also said in that book that he would be quite happy for a years waste from the UK nuclear industry to be buried in his front garden seemingly the heat given off by it would be a handy heat source for his house.

By the way what is it ok to die from? At least everyday there will be some article on radio, on-line , in the print media about some deadly (insert threat here) threat to our continued health and well being. So at this stage what are the acceptable risks? What is it ok to die from? What is the point of this thread? The words could and may should be banned from use in any reportage of health threats.
 

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But people died much younger back then, I went to Newgrange the other day, and they reckoned the average age people lived was less than 30 years, so it's little wonder that fewer had cancer as they had no effective medicine to fight other diseases
 
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