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Cannabis, Hard Drugs


Wakeupcall

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Holland has the lowest overdose rate for hard drugs in Europe and is 80% lower than the US simply because cannabis is decriminalized.

Cannabis can help cancer patients and other types of patients with their appetite and pain without destroying their liver and kidneys.

167 million people are estimated to use cannabis regularly in the western world.

What does that tell you?

And to clarify for those who posted after this OP about mental issues relating to cannabis...

According to a new report by a British government advisory body, the regular use of cannabis though it can have real and significant mental health effects it is unlikely to cause schizophrenia.
Cannabis use does not cause schizophrenia -Schizophrenia News-

A British study has cast doubt on the supposed link between cannabis use and schizophrenia, but at least one Australian researcher says the study needs more evidence.

Previous research has suggested cannabis use increases the risk of being diagnosed with either psychosis or schizophrenia.

This latest study, led by Dr. Martin Frisher of Keele University, examined the records of 600,000 patients aged between 16 and 44, but failed to find a similar link.
CBC News - Health - Doubt cast on cannabis, schizophrenia link

Researchers say the results also suggest that among those likely to develop the disease, those who use marijuana may get the disease earlier in life than those who don't.

The findings don't prove that smoking marijuana causes schizophrenia, and the study only looked at people who already had the disease. But, "smoking marijuana may have hastened whatever process was going to happen anyway," Daniel Foti, a PhD student at Stony Brook University on New York's Long Island and the lead author on the study, told Reuters Health.
In schizophrenia, MDs should target pot use: study | Reuters

Regular readers will recall the confused mess that is this government’s cannabis policy. There has been a drop in cannabis consumption since it was downgraded from Class B to C, but nevertheless they want to put it back up to Class B again. Yes, we know all about the argument that what you ingest is entirely your business, it being your body and all that but morals are always trumped by politics.
Study clears cannabis of schizophrenia rap

However, at this time, it is not clear whether marijuana use causes mental problems, exacerbates them, or is used in attempt to self-medicate symptoms already in existence.
Marijuana - InfoFacts - NIDA
 
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Holland has the lowest overdose rate for hard drugs in Europe and is 80% lower than the US simply because cannabis is decriminalized.

Cannabis can help cancer patients and other types of patients with their appetite and pain without destroying their liver and kidneys.

167 million people are estimated to use cannabis regularly in the western world.

What does that tell you?
That we are ruled by self righteous idiots?

There is no reason for cannabis to be illegal so all that remains is pigheadedness amongst our political betters.

(Sparks up a smoke and goes back to work....)
 

Libertarian Contrarian

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But how will we fill up the prisons when it is legalized?
 

Xiogenes

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167 million people are estimated to use cannabis regularly in the western world.

What does that tell you?
That there are a lot of unhappy people in the world. legalizing their drug of choice won't alleviate the systemic need for escape, it will merely legitimize certain peoples behavior.

Opiates could possibly be legalized and licensed to those afflicted with chronic addiction to heroin, and free needles provided.(methadone seems to be a useless crutch for some) to alleviate addiction driven crime.

legalizing a powerful psychoactive drug, for open use, will never, and should never happen, or if you disagree, visit a psych ward and see for yourself the detrimental effects THC causes.
 
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legalizing a powerful psychoactive drug, for open use, will never, and should never happen, or if you disagree, visit a psych ward and see for yourself the detrimental effects THC causes.
How will we pick them out from the thousands which go that way through drink?

Anyway, there is no evidence that cannabis put them there as the only evidence which exists shows a correlation but not a causation. What that means, in laymans, is that if your nuts you may try cannabis as it can feel like it helps a little or for a while at least. It doesn't however and without the proper treatment these people end up in the psyche ward regardless.
The fact that they smoked cannabis along the way is neither here nor there.
 

Xiogenes

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Legalising cannabis freed up police resources to tackle actual crimes.
Where ?

(Please don't say Amsterdam......because it is not legal, it is tolerated in restricted area's with strict control )

It will never be legal, but under a certain amount it should of course, be decriminalized.
 
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Where ?

(Please don't say Amsterdam......because it is not legal, it is tolerated in restricted area's with strict control )

It will never be legal, but under a certain amount it should of course, be decriminalized.
Decriminalisation is silly. Since when do adults think sticking their head in the sand is a sensible option?
 

Xiogenes

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How will we pick them out from the thousands which go that way through drink?
Check out how many teenagers have been admitted to psychiatric wards.

Anyway, there is no evidence that cannabis put them there as the only evidence which exists shows a correlation but not a causation. What that means, in laymans, is that if your nuts you may try cannabis as it can feel like it helps a little or for a while at least. It doesn't however and without the proper treatment these people end up in the psyche ward regardless.
The fact that they smoked cannabis along the way is neither here nor there.
Really, it that anecdotal, scientific, testimonial or just your opinion..?
 

Xiogenes

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Decriminalisation is silly. Since when do adults think sticking their head in the sand is a sensible option?
Please explain. As that is the way it is in Holland.

Or is your knowledge of any of this as wide as a butterfly's arse..?
 

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legalizing a powerful psychoactive drug, for open use, will never, and should never happen, or if you disagree, visit a psych ward and see for yourself the detrimental effects THC causes.
Why are we in the midst of some untold epidemic. Its a proven fact cannabis use only triggers an adverse phychiatric reponse when there is already a pre-existing condition.

There's more people in physce wards in this country due to alcoholism than there would be if cannabis were as freely available.
 

Xiogenes

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Why are we in the midst of some untold epidemic. Its a proven fact cannabis use only triggers an adverse phychiatric reponse when there is already a pre-existing condition.

There's more people in physce wards in this country due to alcoholism than there would be if cannabis were as freely available.
Who said epidemic ?

Alcoholism is classified as a disease, not a reaction to a psychoactive substance.

May I ask where you bought your crystal ball ?
 

Toblakai

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Who said epidemic ?

Alcoholism is classified as a disease, not a reaction to a psychoactive substance.

May I ask where you bought your crystal ball ?
Alcoholism is not a disease, it is allowed that status because so many people drink. If you do not drink you dont suffer with alcoholism. Its like saying that dying or being injured by doing extreme sports is a disease. I am not unsympathetic to people with alcoholism seeing as this country is run by and populated with alcoholics, young people have no chance not to become alcoholics as there is nothing else to do beside sport and if even if you do like sports they ALL have a clubhouse for their alcoholics to drink to forget they live in the crappiest country in the world where people die because they dont have the decency to get sick between 9 and 5.
 

truthforsooth

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It's estimated that cannabis causes 14% of first-time psychotic (schizophrenic) episodes.
It's estimated that 1% of the population develops a condition of schizophrenia.
Therefore, cannabis is estimated to be a causal factor in schizophrenia in 0.14% of the population. Even if only 20% of the population take cannabis, that's still only 0.7% of the consumers adversely affected.
 

Toblakai

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It's estimated that cannabis causes 14% of first-time psychotic (schizophrenic) episodes.
It's estimated that 1% of the population develops a condition of schizophrenia.
Therefore, cannabis is estimated to be a causal factor in schizophrenia in 0.14% of the population. Even if only 20% of the population take cannabis, that's still only 0.7% of the consumers adversely affected.
Its not for those reasons it is illegal. People are already mentally sick in this country and are dying from it and from drinking. What is done? The money that is put aside is used for something else. It is probably illegal because the pub owners who let so many tds use their pubs are afraid of competition and thats it I think. When you see how many alcoholics hold power and even the suspicion that our taoiseach is a dipso then you can see why the drinkers win all the time. Liver disease all round. I dont drink alcohol or smoke and people who do are crazy.
 

truthforsooth

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Its not for those reasons it is illegal.
Not at all. In Ireland the illegality is based on an unscientific "working group" that made recommendations grounded in arbitrary moral choices.
I dont drink alcohol or smoke and people who do are crazy.
Like that.

It's worth reading Tim Murphy's "Rethinking the War on Drugs in Ireland".
"The author put forward an argument for the legalisation of drugs currently controlled by law. The 'war on drugs', in which drugs are regarded as a 'scourge' or 'menace' to society which must be stamped out, was analysed. The author came to the conclusion that it was based on a set of ideas which have never been adequately explored or reviewed. He argued that both political figures and the media tended to simplify and then magnify issues in the area, forming a single threatening entity, 'drugs', which must be fought against at all costs. This book examined historical perspectives on drug prohibition and their effectiveness, described drugs in terms of set and setting, and then as they related to issues of morality and criminal sanctions. Finally, the author examined the failure of prohibition, and put forward the case for legalisation."
 

Toblakai

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Not at all. In Ireland the illegality is based on an unscientific "working group" that made recommendations grounded in arbitrary moral choices.
Well we have already had a taoiseach who had made up qualifications advised by a scientific advisor who also had made up qualifications so its makes sense that we have a working group that is probably made up of taoiseachs ex girlfriends and the same buddies who gave dig outs to the right people if we look at other ''boards''.
 
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