Capitalism at its very worst

Spurtlebert

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Oh do fúck off.


Capitalism in single picture. Bottom half first world standard of living, freedoms and quality of life. Top half, desperate poverty, violent oppression, barely subsistence existance.

Capitalism is alright but I could do without the one extreme or the other paradigm. Not everyone in the capitalist world is "enjoying" themselves and living in highly developed countries comes with its own set of silly nonsense to deal with.

Better than a North Korean prison camp yes, but I don't live in North Korea and I need something to complain about. Let's not pretend the developed world is perfect.
 


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Apparently, according to the proudly ignorant on this forum, "capitalism concentrates more and more wealth into fewer and fewer hands".


And yet, over the history of "capitalism" - which to be correct and precise, means liberal market-based societies - a larger and larger proportion of the population and larger and larger number of people (remember populations have increased) have become massively better and better off.

Massively better off. In financial, social, health, educational, environmental and just about whatever other terms you could mention.


But only in "capitalist" societies. (give a quick wave to Venezuela Stateman)


But hey. Stateman has an airline anecdote, pilfered from some moronic website.
 

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Mao Zedong, Stalin, Lenin, Kim Il Sung, Pol Pot, Castro etc what did all those guys have in common.
 

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Utopia is for delusional Lu la,s socialism is a system of force ,capitalism allows free trade
Capitalism is alright but I could do without the one extreme or the other paradigm. Not everyone in the capitalist world is "enjoying" themselves and living in highly developed countries comes with its own set of silly nonsense to deal with.

Better than a North Korean prison camp yes, but I don't live in North Korea and I need something to complain about. Let's not pretend the developed world is perfect.
 

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Mao Zedong killed a minimum of 50 million.
That's just one communist.
Where did you hear that?

50 million, could that not be exaggeration due to the cold war?
 

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Capitalism is alright but I could do without the one extreme or the other paradigm. Not everyone in the capitalist world is "enjoying" themselves and living in highly developed countries comes with its own set of silly nonsense to deal with.

Better than a North Korean prison camp yes, but I don't live in North Korea and I need something to complain about. Let's not pretend the developed world is perfect.
"Not everyone is enjoying themselves."


When you reach senior infants you will come to understand something about the nature of life, the world and existence. Not everyone gets a medal, it isn't possible for everyone to get a medal. But in "capitalist" societies, we are given all the tools, support, advantages and much much more to fulfil our own needs and desires.

The overwhelming majority do extremely well. The poorest person in a "capitalist" society would be as materially well off as the richest 10% in one of Stateman's favoured regimes.



Only a moron would deny it.
 

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Look at the film Blade Runner from 1982 looking at 2010, RCA, Atari, Cuisinart and Pan-Am were meant to be the big corporates..........
 

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Mao Zedong, Stalin, Lenin, Kim Il Sung, Pol Pot, Castro etc what did all those guys have in common.
They were all seen as enemies by the Western media :confused:
 

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What was the actual share price in United or American before the price drop? Share prices are driven by long term prospects for a return on an investment which in turn reflects market sentiment.
United are in the halfpenny place when compared to Michael O'Leary's attitude to pay for his workers and wheelchair users. Part of his culture is to encourage a ruthless cynicism where airline staff are given a commission to fleece some poor ejit who is 200g over the limit. Subsequently O'Leary re-invented himself as a cuddly loveable bleeding heart and immediately saw bookings at the airline increase.
Stateman would prefer to see American Airlines go out of business, leaving all employees jobless. As well as the hundreds of millions (so much for the "concentration of wealth") of shareholders (there is probably a better than even chance that Stateman is a shareholder himself) out of pocket.
 

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and they say the customer is never wrong :D

 

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So how many would you say ?
Figures like that get bandied about on the net but where do they come from?

The western governments and media like those figures being bandied about but they don't count how many they kill, this is the reality.

Mao introduced policies that worked in some cases and not in others just like all governments do. No one goes round saying because Ahern had very poor health policies 200,000 people died who would otherwise have had longer lives. Therefore Ahern killed 200,000 people.

Thatcher killed 10 million and Obama killed 100 million.

Such bland estimates are used about 'enemy' countries but not about western ones.
 

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The biggest irony of this thread is the stupidity of Stateman's premise, which gets thing completely the wrong way round.


If markets bid up AA's share price on the wage deal they did with employees, it is because the market is being convinced that those people will keep their jobs, that the company will do better, grow more, leading to more jobs.


But Stateman thinks that's bad. A company with workers in a potentially more secure company, with the prospect of growth and more people being hired by that company.
 

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What a load of bollocks , you have a choice if want to chew , smoke ,snort tobacco next it will be sugar, salt , etc.
It is the nature of addictive substances to undermine choice. To cynically market products that lead to millions of deaths is also a choice. There is convincing evidence that that people involved knew the damage their products were doing before anyone else but fought every attempt to control them while continuing to spend vast sums on marketing. We blame Stalin for his evil and Mao for his. We should not be any less clear about what the large corporation have done or the system that facilitates it.

As a few people have pointed out it is not a case of one or the other. Systems should serve us not the other way around. Capitalism worked best for the people when communism was a threat. Governments intervened to create fairer societies in order to prevent revolution. That was sensible and they appear to have forgotten it.
 

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The Chinese government itself is willing to admit to up to 25 million. I think it fair to say they will err on the low side.
Have you a link for that?
 


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