Cardinal George Pell convicted of sexually abusing choirboys

Buchaill Dana

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If Pell was named Mukhtar and was an imam, we know what their reaction would be.

The reason the Court has kept the judgment as in camera as it has is to ensure that Pell gets a fair hearing on the next set of child abuse allegations he's being tried for.

Catalpast and Buachaill Dana do want him to get a fair trial, don't they?
Again, what? How did I get lumped in with that racist beadrattler
 


Catalpast

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Your concern for the abuser are interesting. Any word for the victims you callous man.
This is exactly the same kind of comment that we heard when Father Wilson was on Trial

- for a Crime he did not commit...
 

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Quick, look over there everybody. Are you seriously trying to make such an outragious link. Do you actually believe this kind of stuff. You are an enabler, that's why the likes of an evil sexual deviant like Pell get away with it for so long.
As you have absolutely no idea what he was supposedly convicted of

- then your comments are based on Ignorance
 

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Pell was convicted in a secret trial.
Justice must be seen to be done and this has not happened in this case.
 

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The judge placed a suppression order on all press coverage in Australia right before trial proceedings were set to begin in June, according to the judge’s orders reviewed by The Daily Beast. The order was requested by prosecutors and granted to “prevent a real and substantial risk of prejudice to the proper administration of justice,” the order reads, according to the report.
Cardinal George Pell Convicted Of Sexually Abusing Choir Boys
 

Old Mr Grouser

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Pell was convicted in a secret trial.
Justice must be seen to be done and this has not happened in this case
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Spot on.

I don't feel sorry for Pell - for many years he oversaw the masterminded the protection of many clerical sex-abusers, and used the 'Ellis Defence' to deny victims compensation.

But that trial gives justice a bad name.


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... It's always difficult to assemble a Defence against an ancient allegation (which is why many Jurisdictions have Statutes of Limitations) and Pell's age,77, would again have been a handicap in the long lead-up to the trial and then during the trial.
If ypu scroll through Abuse Tracker you'll see several news-reports saying that this was the second trial of these charges. At the earlier trial the jury had failed to agree a verdict.

The additional strain, of a second trial, on a man aged 77 must have been massive. It would have further hindered any attempt at a vigorous and effective defence,
 

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If ypu scroll through Abuse Tracker you'll see several news-reports saying that this was the second trial of these charges. At the earlier trial the jury had failed to agree a verdict.

The additional strain, of a second trial, on a man aged 77 must have been massive. It would have further hindered any attempt at a vigorous and effective defence,
Why is his age, 77, necessarily a problem? There are plenty of perfectly healthy people that age, and older.

There have been questions raised about his supposed ill-health in the past: "Ballarat based state MP Sharon Knight said, after hearing that Pell would not return to Australia to appear before the commission due to an undisclosed heart condition by saying "if we do ever see you back in this country, then we will know that everything you have said about your health – everything that you have said to avoid personally appearing at the hearings – is an absolute sham.”"

In NSW, the retirement age for a judge is 75. I don't what age the trial judge is, but in theory they could be just 2 years younger than the defendant. Many US supreme court judges have been much older than that in the past, and they can sit though long and complex trials. Most defendants just sit there most of the time and let their lawyers do the talking.
 

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Why is his age, 77, necessarily a problem? There are plenty of perfectly healthy people that age, and older.

There have been questions raised about his supposed ill-health in the past: "Ballarat based state MP Sharon Knight said, after hearing that Pell would not return to Australia to appear before the commission due to an undisclosed heart condition by saying "if we do ever see you back in this country, then we will know that everything you have said about your health – everything that you have said to avoid personally appearing at the hearings – is an absolute sham.”"

In NSW, the retirement age for a judge is 75. I don't what age the trial judge is, but in theory they could be just 2 years younger than the defendant. Many US supreme court judges have been much older than that in the past, and they can sit though long and complex trials. Most defendants just sit there most of the time and let their lawyers do the talking.
In Ireland a politician making such comments in a potential legal case would almost certainly see a Trial not proceeding

- due to prejudicing the outcome...

This whole Thing stinks!:confused2:
 

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Well apologies than as it wasn't very clear hence my attack on you ,i will delete it.
Yeah, it wasn't. I was commenting on the tedium that is catty being 'contrary'
 


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