Cardinal George Pell convicted of sexually abusing choirboys

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Lumpy, You wrote an outstanding post on Castlepollard that summed it up neatly. I'll retrieve it later along with another post of yours. I think psychologists would give it their stamp of approval. Hit the nail on the head.
Well, it is one of the strands of the pandemic of paedophilia in that rotten organisation I've been following most closely. Fairly harrowing stuff at times and as far as my reading goes these distorted and damaged examples of humanity seek out the 'respectable' professions with a high degree of trust because they are also extraordinarily devious in getting access to kids. They also are remarkably similar to another kind of notorious damaged individual- the serial killer.

Their psychological approach to identifying a target is the same. And they share to an extraordinary degree with serial killers one other thing, and that is that they do not understand why they are in trouble for doing what they do. Strikingly obvious from all reports on these degenerate clerics.

The confession box enables them to attain absolution for their crimes. You would imagine a degenerate cleric would avoid confession like the plague. But that's another common thing. They always go to confession for the pay-off in terms of absolution. And off they go again.

Mind you the confessional box has been fulfilling that role for its cult-followers for hundreds of years in various forms. It is probably one of the most dismally dangerous things it could be doing for the society around it. Providing a 'there, there, don't worry about now' moment for potential killers, child rapists, meth dealers in Mexico...

The Catholic Church at least in the United States is very likely to be an accomplice to many a crime, because they actually empower the worst sort of criminals and without meaning to give them sanction to continue the habitual absolution-offend-absolution-offend psychological routine they are attuned to.
 
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I think any cleric of any denomination who becomes aware of any devotee committing serious crimes and fails to report it should be regarded by criminal justice systems as an accessory to any subsequent crime that devotee commits, where the cleric took no civil action to prevent the criminal from offending.

Either that confessional box needs to go or priests need to be in the dock as accessories. That would be my firm view on it.
 

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It is interesting to see the conclusions or standout items identified as common in such clerical abusers. I notice Dr Robinson appears to have been dealing with case-loads in this area for 30 years so her take on it would understandably be different to those analysts who saw such clerics on commission from the RCC in New York particularly.

Those standouts across the board from the assessment exercises for the catholic conference of bishops specifically noted common traits- arrested adolescence, extreme narcissism, and an inability to emphathise or understand the damage and pain of their victims which is linked very strongly to an abnormally low socialisation with other children at vital development stages.

It is interesting that Robinson states she's seeing traits of schizoid behaviour. She's certainly agreeing with a raft of earlier assessments as above in the noting of extreme narcissism.


Starry:


Lumpy's 2 x posts - set out below - offer the best analysis I've read on these schizoid paedophile priests.

AND jogged my memory about what Archbishop Diarmuid Martin said on RTE's docu Rome v Republic:


"Any organisation has to ask how is it that at a particular time, there was a large number of serial paedophiles. I'm talking SERIOUS PAEDOPHILES, we're talking about HUNDREDS"
- Archbishop of Dublin Dr Diarmuid Martin


Priests 'abused so many children, they can't remember names'

April 7 2019 2:30 AM

By Lynn Kelleher


Archbishop of Dublin Dr Diarmuid Martin:


Dr Diarmuid Martin made the disturbing revelation in an RTE documentary detailing how the Vatican came to exert control over almost every aspect of Irish life since the foundation of the State.​
[…]​
He said: "Any organisation has to ask how is it that at a particular time, there was a large number of serial paedophiles. I'm talking serious paedophiles, we're talking about hundreds.​
"There are cases coming forward and my people will ask, for example, a priest, if a new case comes up, from one of these historical cases, does this name mean anything to you? Sometimes they say, 'Yes, I abused that person'.​
"Sometimes, and this is the more worrying one, they (say) 'the name means nothing, but I can't say, it could have happened...'​

"They don't even, they didn't even know how many people they abused.​



#1,852


#1,853 BRILLIANT POST

"To put it bluntly the fanaticism of catholic parents who strove to 'create' a priest in their child likely lay the psychological groundwork for clerical paedophiles when they forced a son as a child to believe that they were special and selected by a deity himself to be a close servant of that deity. And therefore mustn't sully themselves by association with the average kid in the street. Lack of normal socialisation and a carefully cultivated, if unwitting, creation of an exploded and narcissistic ego.​
"No normal adolescence. Emotionally and in terms of relationships with others a stunted individual, a warped child in an adolescent's body, then prepared for the seminary by the overbearing parents with expectations, and finally into the seminary where the stunted individual is psychologically reassured that women are the gateway to the devil and that celibacy is demanded. This is a psychological Wuhan, this system, and it does explain why so many warped individuals who went through the seminaries between the 1940s, 1950s and even the 1960s were produced by this religious cult within their ranks.​
"It is a cult-based social phenomena, created unwittingly, and with the seminary system as a finishing school for degenerates. As others have said accurately, many priests will have developed coping mechanisms for the demands placed on them by clerical life, and will have been no harm or danger to anyone. But there were some in that system, a surprising number, who suppressed all these strong psychological demands and traps and it burst out in the worst way possible, misinterpreted as sexual gratification at an adult level but linked irretrievably to the broken child and adolescent within the clerical paedophile.​



#1,854 BRILLIANT ANALYTICAL POST

"I wonder, and there is no evidence for this conclusion I can offer other than the accumulated effects I've mentioned above but I suspect the association of sex with power over other humans in the degenerate clerical mind and ego may well be sublimating a damaged psychology trying to 'take possession' of a child hood they were never themselves really allowed. Perhaps this is where the association of sexual gratification and 'possession' of another and the image of the child that is 'normal' are linked along this dark psychological river.​
"Very deep waters, these.​


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EUREKA!


*The campaign to defrock Pell has taken off*

*There is now a German version of the petition*


'Watch Channel 10 tomorrow + 75k signatures'

Paul Levey

Sunbury, Australia
'Survivor of Ballarat serial paedophile priest Gerald Ridsdale'



"Now, we need to keep making noise until the Church hears our demands. Tomorrow (Tuesday) at 10.35 am, I am going on Studio 10 to tell my story and discuss this campaign. If you can, tune in and watch it here.​
"Our campaign continues to spread around the world. There is even a German version of this petition now, signed by tens of thousands of people.​
"Let’s not stop until Pope Francis hears our calls. Men like Cardinal George Pell have built a career in the Church by protecting paedophile priests. Pope Francis must dismiss Cardinal George Pell from the clerical state.​


I'm so delighted for you Paul. Getting a spot on Channel 10 is tremendous!! Well Done!
 

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after someone in the community died my mother asked me to go to a priests house when i was a young fella to get a mass card signed

the priest asked me was i in a relationship
 

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Probably the fault of the Rolling Stones and the 1960s one would imagine...
 

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after someone in the community died my mother asked me to go to a priests house when i was a young fella to get a mass card signed

the priest asked me was i in a relationship

Any rumours about him later?
 

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Media baron Rupert Murdoch press


It's only a coincidence the syndicated article is Subscriber only





Time for Pell to go, says new Adelaide Archbishop

As he takes up his new role as the head of the Catholic Church in Adelaide, Archbishop Patrick O'Regan says Cardinal George Pell should ‘gracefully retire’ from holding any formal roles in the institution.


Here's another Google grab ~

Meet Adelaide's new Catholic Archbishop Patrick O'Regan
Category: | Herald Sun › news › national › news-story​
'' SA's new Catholic Archbishop Patrick O'Regan says he believes George Pell should 'gracefully retire'. ... The Commission found that Pell had covered up the activities of paedophile priests and as a result many children had suffered horrendous abuse. Pell said the Commission's finding were “not supported by evidence''.​



This looks like a REDACTED Case Study #35 by Royal Commission (289pp)
REPORT OF CASE STUDY NO. 35
Catholic Archdiocese of Melbourne
 


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