Carol Nolan quits Sinn Fein after she opposed party's policy on abortion

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robra

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In yer hole, dear boy, if SF is still getting votes with their history, she is just a footnote.

?? I'm not saying she's not a footnote. I'm not saying that SF will never get any votes either! Is that you Kathy Newman? Perhaps try to deal with what I'm actually saying!?
 


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Sinn Fein scored their own own goal. They could have allowed their TD's a free vote on the issue.

Exactly what would the down side be? It's not like they're going to lose the vote and it's not like she's saying she won't accept the will of the people. Also, why not just allow her to abstain?
 

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?? I'm not saying she's not a footnote. I'm not saying that SF will never get any votes either! Is that you Kathy Newman? Perhaps you try to deal with what I'm actually saying!?
You are making a mountain out of a mole-hill either because you are anti-abortion or anti-SF, or both.

I didnt come down in the last shower, so your time with me is up. Enjoy your interwebs moan-fest.
 

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Exactly what would the down side be? It's not like they're going to lose the vote and it's not like she's saying she won't accept the will of the people. Also, why not just allow her to abstain?
Sinn Fein are not democratic in my view.
 

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You are making a mountain out of a mole-hill either because you are anti-abortion or anti-SF, or both.

I didnt come down in the last shower, so your time with me is up. Enjoy your interwebs moan-fest.
Oh please give me more time Eagle! I love debating with Snowflakes like you!
 

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Sinn Fein are not democratic in my view.

No definitely not and now that they have been infested with a bunch of millennial snowflakes they have become even more like North Korea. They just can't understand the fact that other people may have different morals, values, ambitions to themselves. They have become the ultimate echo chamber party.
 

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Robra is bang on the money with this. SF are on an upward trajectory to now. I really don't get what they're about regarding C Nolan. It seems really bad from an optics POV. I would have imagined they would have wanted to move away from the totalitarian label? It's making them look extreme with regard to abortion which as robra says is going to alienate those who might otherwise vote for them. It seems daft tbh.
 

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Robra is bang on the money with this. SF are on an upward trajectory to now. I really don't get what they're about regarding C Nolan. It seems really bad from an optics POV. I would have imagined they would have wanted to move away from the totalitarian label? It's making them look extreme with regard to abortion which as robra says is going to alienate those who might otherwise vote for them. It seems daft tbh.
No totalitarianism is on the uptick now. Abortion is as totalitarian as it gets.
 

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No one is suggesting that they are anti-democratic. The issue is religious tolerance. Should TD's be allowed a free vote when it comes to issues of religion or conscience. In a modern civilized tolerant party I think it's reasonable to allow a free vote.
No...it's a womans health issue not a religious one...

The politicians are employees and have been given a directive by their employer after a democratic vote..

As for free votes SF have a policy that they decide party policy by ballot at their Ard Fheis .....don't join the club if you don't like the rules...
 

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No...it's a womans health issue not a religious one...

The politicians are employees and have been given a directive by their employer after a democratic vote..

As for free votes SF have a policy that they decide party policy by ballot at their Ard Fheis .....don't join the club if you don't like the rules...
Thing is that that when Ms Nolan joined the party she wasn't out of step with party policy.
 

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Thing is that that when Ms Nolan joined the party she wasn't out of step with party policy.
That's fine....

They had a debate,she lost the debate,they had a vote and now she has decided to leave...

I left my club for a few years because i didn't like the direction the new committee were committed to going in after a AGM....

That's life things change...
 

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She decided to leave when it was democratically changed. Her choice.
And I think that is the sensible approach to this story.

Will others join her?

And how big a loss would they be ? Certainly while they don't have a great talent pool to draw on in their NI ranks, It seems they are better off in the ROI.

And should there be a by-election or should she continue to sit as an independent?
 

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And I think that is the sensible approach to this story.

Will others join her?

And how big a loss would they be ? Certainly while they don't have a great talent pool to draw on in their NI ranks, It seems they are better off in the ROI.

And should there be a by-election or should she continue to sit as an independent?
That’s up to her afaik. Others may leave but that’s their choice.
 

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What moral issues? SF is not a Catholic party, it is a Republican party.

She can join the SDLP if she identifies with Catholic morality.

Looks its simple. If you cant accept the party line, leave. She has done it, good on her. May her faith sustain her.
SF is a 'modern' Stalinist totalitarian party that demands all it's members think the same grey socialist doctrine that made the communist block such and awful place to live.

Only it's dumb apparachiks fail to see through the hypocritical 'Choice' bull.sh.t.
Under SF it is your human right to 'Choose to kill' . But to 'Refuse to kill' is undemocratic and a reason for expulsion from the party to Siberia!

What faces those who refuse to implement abortion in society one can only wonder. How will they be punished for offences against 'democracy'!

They are a now officially a totalitarian, socialist, sectarian anti-catholic party run by a female and eunuch composed Central committee where freedom of opinion and thought is frowned upon.

A dangerous threat to freedom of thought and democracy if left unchallenged.
 

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SF is a 'modern' Stalinist totalitarian party that demands all it's members think the same grey socialist doctrine that made the communist block such and awful place to live.

Only it's dumb apparachiks fail to see through the hypocritical 'Choice' bull.sh.t.
Under SF it is your human right to 'Choose to kill' . But to 'Refuse to kill' is undemocratic and a reason for expulsion from the party to Siberia!

What faces those who refuse to implement abortion in society one can only wonder. How will they be punished for offences against 'democracy'!

They are a now officially a totalitarian, socialist, sectarian anti-catholic party run by females and eunuch composed Central committee where freedom of opinion and thought is frowned upon.

A dangerous threat to freedom of thought and democracy if left unchallenged.
Females in charge means it’s a threat to freedom and democracy- woman hater right there-
 
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