Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Second Thread)


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Over three years before DCYA decided St Patrick's Guild was involved in illegal birth registrations and referred cases to the Commission, I wrote this, which in itself was five years after I reported on Tressa Reeves documented case


Excluded agency 'aware of illegal birth registrations' | Irish Examiner



The Government excluded an adoption agency from the mother-and-baby home inquiry despite being told almost two years ago that it had knowledge of “several hundred” illegal birth registrations.

An Adoption Authority (AAI) delegation told representatives of the Department of Children and the General Register Office (GRO) in June 2013 that St Patrick’s Guild was aware of several hundred cases of illegal birth registrations, a department note of meeting released under Freedom of Information reveals.

“St Patrick’s Guild are aware of several hundred illegal registrations but are waiting for people to contact them; they are not seeking the people involved,” the note read. “Must consider how revelations of this sort would affect a family unit.”

Illegal birth registrations were usually done to facilitate an illegal adoption. No adoption order was made and the child was taken and registered as if born to the adoptive parents.



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St. Patrick's Guild and Temple Hill


St. Patrick's Guild was founded in 1910 by Mary Cruice who originally wanted to provide a Catholic alternative to Protestant run fostering services in Dublin. Later however the Guild linked up with the Sisters of Charity and became an adoption society at the command of Archbishop John Charles McQuaid.

St. Patrick's Guild did not run a mother and baby home. Instead babies were sent to St. Patrick's Infant Hospital, Temple Hill before being adopted. Mothers were not present at Temple Hill and St. Patrick's Guild have been very uncooperative in providing information about what conditions were like in the hospital, though we have a scanned copy of the feeding/vaccination records kept which was donated by an adopted person. There were also babies in Temple Hill who were adopted through agencies other than St. Patrick's Guild.

St. Patrick's Guild was involved in the secret export of 572 children to the US for adoption from the 1940's to the 1970's, which was more than any other adoption agency.
 

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MOTHER AND BABY HOMES DELAY ADDS INSULT TO INJURY

"Judge Murphy surely knew quite some time ago that this deadline would be missed," comments Fintan Dunne, media liaison for Irish First Mothers.

"So why didn't either the judge or the Minister inform leaders of the survivor community long before now? They were led to believe that some closure awaited survivors this Spring. This betrayal is devastating for them."

"This is a grossly incompetent Commission. It's inquiries should have been structured to produce a timely first report based on a representative sample of cases. That way an informed response by government could already be underway. Instead, the original injury is being constantly layered with further insults."


Fintan Dunne, media liaison for Irish First Mothers
 

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Its basically unaffordable - another reason why we should be careful on what we sign up to in International Agreements!


I would like more details on below. I believe families (single parents) should be given help to stay together as a family unit.


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Revealed: Social worker was paid €307,000 in one year

Revealed: Social worker was paid €307,000 in one year - Independent.ie


Mark O'Regan

February 26 2017 2:30 AM


Five social workers were each paid more than €370,000 to represent children in court - with one earning €307,000 in a single year.

Guardians ad litem are appointed by a judge to protect the best interests of children who have been taken into the State's care.

It is understood there are currently about 65 designated guardians ad litem, often called 'GALs', operating in the State.

Tusla, the Child and Family Agency, spent €15.2m on GAL services in 2016.


Twelve individuals and agencies acting as guardians to children in childcare court proceedings each received more than €100,000 from Tusla last year. [2016]

Two GALs both shared a payment pot of €304,036 in 2016. Records show they earned €486,489 and €403,509 respectively in the past three years for their work representing the interests of children in court proceedings.

Another GAL earned €307,465 in 2015.

In total, that individual has received payments of €528,942 from Tusla since 2014.

Records show five social workers have each received more than €370,000 since 2014 to represent children in court.

Barnardos is the largest and longest-established national guardian ad litem service in Ireland, having received more than €10m in GAL payments since 2014.

In 2016, the children's charity was paid €3.1m, while in 2015 it received €3.8m.

In 2014, the figure stood at €3m.
 

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Agency in Adoption Scandal ST PATRICK'S GUILD (INC)l Enters Voluntary Liquidation







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The former adoption agency at the centre of the illegal adoptions scandal has gone into voluntary liquidation ~ just months after hundreds of illegal birth registrations were found in its files.
 

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Fintan Dunne

5 January at 14:53


GOVERNMENT OFFERING FINANCIAL INDUCEMENTS TO TRY DISRUPT MOTHER & BABY HOME GROUPS



Recently Minister Zappone flew a large group of officials, and people who are on the official Collaborative Forum to Boston for a Transitional Justice event. All stayed with the minister in a luxury Boston hotel.

Why was it necessary to go to Boston for that conference?

Because it was a JUNKET, that's why! Junkets are used to buy people off. Were you invited? Could you afford to attend? If the answers to those questions is 'no' then clearly you weren't invited to join the Collaborators Forum.


It was a junket. I've written about this.



HOW TO PROTECT AGAINST GOVERNMENT DISRUPTION


1. ***HOW TO SPOT A STOOGE***


Disrupters are much more interested in fostering arguments than uniting to achieve the common goal. Their activity will only increase as the publication of the report nears.

Get rid of disrupters straight away if they are distracting or threatening the unity of the group.

Only people whose real aim is to destroy your group will insist on arguing at this vital time -with only weeks to go after four long years. Get it?




2. GOVERNMENT CHEERLEADERS


Beware of folks who you thought were supporting proper justice, but who suddenly switch and start backing any government proposals which emerge. Singing off a government hymn sheet has been made very financially rewarding for those with no conscience.




3. THE OLD DIVIDE AND CONQUER


Besides simple sowing of division, another key tactic for the disrupters will be to try split groups into two: with one half backing any government proposals and the others holding firm. If they can split groups in half then they will have halved their opposition. Hold firm to your demands. Don't let the stooges water them down.




@Fintan Dunne


Good tips on *HOW TO SPOT A STOOGE.*


MAIN CHANCERS ~~~


I can remember my grandfather (a Kerry man) scornfully talking about people with an eye for the "main chance," and naming them.


Minister for Children Katherine Zappone has one notable MAIN CHANCER, with a foot in both camps, who devotedly sings Zappone's praises.
 

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Resignations Demanded Over Mother Baby Homes Delay - YouTube



'Resignations Demanded (MINISTER FOR CHILDREN KATHERINE ZAPPONE AND JUSTICE YVONNE MURPHY) Over Mother & Baby Homes Delay'



Irish First Mothers
Published on Jan 10, 2019


Minister Zappone and Judge Murphy should both consider their position says Fintan Dunne of First Mothers with Angela Faul on CRCFM. Survivors of Ireland's Mother and Baby homes are distraught and angry following a news report that the judge leading a Commission of Investigation into 14 such homes has requested an additional year to issue her final report -currently due by mid-February 2019.


Fintan Dunne shared a link.

9 January at 09:36


*IRISH ELITE BETRAYAL IN BID TO DELAY MOTHER AND BABY HOMES REPORT FOR A YEAR*


The Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes ~ already running for four years ~ will next week ask Government for yet another year to finish its report, according to the Irish Times.


The news comes as a bolt from the blue -with only weeks to go until the promised mid-February publication date ~ which was already delayed by two years.


It is also bizarre and unbelievable that those affected were not forewarned. We should be hearing of this from Zappone - not reading it in the newspapers!


The incompetence and insensitivity is appalling. This Government does not care a whit for the community of those affected to treat them with such callous disregard.


Any further delay is totally UNACCEPTABLE.


Publish what we have now and follow up with an addendum if required. We have waited far too long already. More later
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News about Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes requesting yet another year's extension is leaked to the Irish Times ~

Mother and baby homes commission seeks extension to finish report
 

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Resignations Demanded Over Mother Baby Homes Delay - YouTube



'Resignations Demanded (MINISTER FOR CHILDREN KATHERINE ZAPPONE AND JUSTICE YVONNE MURPHY) Over Mother & Baby Homes Delay'



Irish First Mothers
Published on Jan 10, 2019






Fintan Dunne shared a link.

9 January at 09:36


*IRISH ELITE BETRAYAL IN BID TO DELAY MOTHER AND BABY HOMES REPORT FOR A YEAR*


The Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes ~ already running for four years ~ will next week ask Government for yet another year to finish its report, according to the Irish Times.


The news comes as a bolt from the blue -with only weeks to go until the promised mid-February publication date ~ which was already delayed by two years.


It is also bizarre and unbelievable that those affected were not forewarned. We should be hearing of this from Zappone - not reading it in the newspapers!


The incompetence and insensitivity is appalling. This Government does not care a whit for the community of those affected to treat them with such callous disregard.


Any further delay is totally UNACCEPTABLE.


Publish what we have now and follow up with an addendum if required. We have waited far too long already. More later
.




News about Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes requesting yet another year's extension is leaked to the Irish Times ~

Mother and baby homes commission seeks extension to finish report
They know they are going to open a can of worms, they're a only trying to soften the blow and prolonging the inevitable, allow Justice to be served, release the documents and allow the public to see the evidence, let the people be the judge.
 

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Minister for Children Katherine Zappone must step down... To restore public confidence, Chair of Commission into Mother and Baby Homes should be someone INDEPENDENT from outside Ireland...



They know they are going to open a can of worms, they're a only trying to soften the blow and prolonging the inevitable, allow Justice to be served, release the documents and allow the public to see the evidence, let the people be the judge.

Kilpatrick,


Thank you. A quick reply...


Founder Irish First Mothers Kathy McMahon's counterpart in Oz asked: 'Why not agree to the Commission's request to have an extension, as they granted one in Oz Royal Commission?' However, Australian Brenda Coughlan doesn't understand that Irish politics is rotten to the core and, since 1922, Church and State have worked hand in glove together.


In Oz, Labor Prime Minister Julia Gilliard was put under considerable pressure to have the Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse (*Royal Commission announced November 2012*).


https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/images/stories/committees/fcdc/inquiries/57th/Child_Abuse_Inquiry/Submissions/Mark_Fabbro_Appendix_1.pdf


'A nation that doesn't protect its children isn't fit to be a nation' Nelson Mandela


http://www.forgottenaustralians.com/rcomm/ewExternalFiles/addressinreply.pdf



:thumbsup: AND a brilliant Chair was appointed in Justice Peter McClellan. :thumbsup:



:thumbsup: AND FURTHER, unlike the Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes, the Oz Royal Commission was not shrouded in secrecy and allowed 57 public hearings: :thumbsup:


Case studies | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse


The Royal Commission held 57 formal public hearings during which it heard evidence about child sexual abuse within institutions, from 1,200 witnesses over 400 days of hearings, across all Australian capital cities and in several regional areas. These case studies focused on how institutions have responded to allegations and proven instances of child sexual abuse.


The Royal Commission was not a court of law and could not make decisions about criminal matters. Rather, the Commissioners delivered recommendations based on what they learned during public hearing. Visit individual case study pages to view the findings, witness lists, transcripts, exhibits, images and associated submissions.


The Royal Commission's Interim Report (Vols 1 & 2) was indeed voluminous (Published 30 June 2014) ~


https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/file-list/interim_report_volume-1.pdf

https://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/sites/default/files/file-list/final_report_-_interim_report_volume_2.pdf



Issues Papers | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse



The Royal Commission released 11 issues papers on topics related to our work. This provided organisations and individuals with the opportunity to contribute to our consideration of systemic issues. Issues included the provision of advocacy and support and therapeutic treatment services, experiences of police and prosecution responses to reports of child sexual abuse, and preventing child sexual abuse in out-of-home care.

Our policy processes were strengthened by the high number of detailed submissions to these papers. We received over 1,000 submissions, the majority of which were published on the Royal Commission website.

Issues paper 1: Working With Children Check
Issues paper 2: Towards Healing
Issues paper 3: Child safe institutions
Issues paper 4: Preventing sexual abuse of children in out-of-home care
Issues paper 5: Civil litigation
Issues paper 6: Redress schemes
Issues paper 7: Statutory victims of crime compensation schemes
Issues paper 8: Experiences of police and prosecution responses
Issues paper 9: Addressing the risk of child sexual abuse in primary and secondary schools
Issues paper 10: Advocacy and support and therapeutic treatment services
Issues paper 11: Catholic Church final hearing


Other reports | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse


Other reports

Early in the inquiry it became apparent that some issues should be reported on before the inquiry was complete to give survivors and institutions more certainty on these issues and enable governments and institutions to implement our recommendations as soon as possible. Consequently, we submitted the following reports:

Criminal justice
Criminal justice | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

Redress and civil litigation
Redress and civil litigation | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse

Working With Children Checks
Working With Children Checks | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse


Royal Commission's *Final Report* (Published December 2017) ~ with links ~
Final report | Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse




IN STARK CONTRAST TO ^ ^ ^ THE ROYAL COMMISSION'S TRANSPARENCY ~~~


:mad2: The Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes refused to have public hearings. :mad2:



Dr Maeve O'Rourke, newly appointed lecturer in Human Rights NUI Galway, recently stated on the Tortoise Shack: :thumbsup:



Really need a change in the procedures of all investigations into State malpractice.

Having private Investigations/Inquiries [COMMISSION OF INVESTIGATION INTO MOTHER AND BABY HOMES, MCALEESE INQUIRY] where victims AND next of kin can't even see evidence being examined, can't comment on it, can't give judge or investigator questions to ask. It appears to be entirely contrary to your right to an effective investigation under European Convention of Human Rights.

By design not to deal with historic scandal after historic scandal.

NOT ALL HEARINGS HAVE TO BE IN PUBLIC. EVERYTHING SHOULD NOT BE IN PRIVATE {E.G., COMMISSION OF INVESTIGATION INTO MOTHER AND BABY HOMES).

People can't get into court. So government do their own kind of Inquiry OUTSIDE OF COURT, which it actually uses to gather up and bury all evidence.

Things should be in national archives.

Greater access to Justice is really key. For people in institutionalised settings, access to advocacy is essential in order to then make your way to go into court with a lawyer. These are basic foundations of democracy - access to Justice, Rule of Law, and we are hugely lacking in Ireland.

Further activist solicitor Kevin Higgins stated on Broadsheet on the Telly Episode 75: :thumbsup:



Now if you look at the provisions of the section of the 2004 Commission of Investigation Act, you will find it is designed to do anything but find the truth. And it specifically forbidsI [Latin expression] the use of any evidence given in public or private for use in any criminal investigation. So if a nun had gone into the Commission of Investigation in her zimmer-frame and said "I'm awfully sorry but in 1949 I picked up a child, swung it round by the legs, bashed its head off walls in the old workhouse, and died." She can not be prosecuted.



Well one of the wonderful things about the Commission of Investigation procedure is that all evidence is in secret (technically "in Private"). All evidence gathered by the Commission is confidential. If you, John [Ryan], had been a [child] survivor of the home and had some residual memories and went to the Commission of Investigation and made a statement, which would have been recorded both by a stenographer, and an audio recording made… under the terms of the Act, they will not give you a copy of your own evidence. They refuse it. They have refused it. So, you can see this is a rather unsatisfactory process.




STARRY:



I am on record way back as stating that I have no confidence in Minister for Children Katherine Zappone and Chair Justice Yvonne Murphy. At this late juncture, we need to have an *INDEPENDENT Chair from outside Ireland* to restore public confidence. We need to have public hearings and greater accountability.



Minister for Children Katherine Zappone must immediately step down and allow another to fill her space in the status quo. Minister Zappone is also responsible for the train wreck body of Tusla (child protection agency).





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@POLITICIANS


Doubtless we will hear and / or read the politicians' usual inefficacious speeches in the Dail next week. HOWEVER I ASK THAT YOU TURN THE PAGE AND HAVE THE INTEGRITY AND COURAGE TO UNEQUIVOCALLY STATE THAT THE MINISTER FOR CHILDREN KATHERINE ZAPPONE MUST IMMEDIATELY RESIGN. Put this on record.




Irish First Mothers Fintan Dunne calls for resignations:

Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Second Thread) - Page 93
 
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To be honest, I don't think we'll ever see Justice it goes too deep and dark, it's been going on for too long and there's too many involved, the church and the state are tied in knots and they don't know what to do about it they fear the truth, so there is a major cover-up, and their solution is to close the files for 75 years, talk about kicking the can down the Road, the Irish government and the church seem to be above the law in Ireland they will deny Justice at all costs, because the truth is catastrophic.
 

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St Patrick's Guild (Inc) Voluntary Liquidation



St Patrick's Guild (Inc) had total assets of €265,847 and total liabilities of €26,876 as of 31 October 2018


Agency in adoption scandal enters voluntary liquidation | Irish Examiner



By Conall Ó Fátharta


Following the discovery of the 126 illegal birth registrations in May, Children’s Minister Katherine Zappone announced a “scoping exercise” to see if the extent of illegal birth registrations is widespread and requires a full, forensic examination of all records. The final report was due in October but has been delayed until April.

The department has refused to reveal the sample size of the 150,000 records to be examined in the review or the methodology involved. The scoping exercise has also been criticised for being focused only on illegal registrations and not all forms of illegal adoption.

The department has steadfastly claimed that the 126 cases revealed in May represent “the only cases in which clear evidence of incorrect registrations has been found”.

However, the Irish Examiner has revealed documented cases of illegal adoptions and illegal birth registrations as far back as 2010, including the fact that the Adoption Authority (AAI) warned the department about the scale of the problem on three separate occasions in 2011, 2013, and in 2015.

The AAI specifically cited “several hundred” cases at St Patrick’s Guild. In 2015, it sent the department a detailed spreadsheet containing 90 cases that it felt represented illegal registrations. This information was not acted upon at that time.
 

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To be honest, I don't think we'll ever see Justice it goes too deep and dark, it's been going on for too long and there's too many involved, the church and the state are tied in knots and they don't know what to do about it they fear the truth, so there is a major cover-up, and their solution is to close the files for 75 years, talk about kicking the can down the Road, the Irish government and the church seem to be above the law in Ireland they will deny Justice at all costs, because the truth is catastrophic.

It takes sustained effort over decades to make a difference. I quite understand if that is too tough for you. It's encouraging to me to hear survivor groups demanding that Minister for Children Katherine Zappone resign. I, of course, called for Zappone to step down sometime ago on Castlepollard, and I also wanted Chair Judge Yvonne Murphy replaced.
 

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It takes sustained effort over decades to make a difference. I quite understand if that is too tough for you. It's encouraging to me to hear survivor groups demanding that Minister for Children Katherine Zappone resign. I, of course, called for Zappone to step down sometime ago on Castlepollard, and I also wanted Chair Judge Yvonne Murphy replaced.
I agree it's a start, I just don't have very much faith in the government or the church they've always walked hand-in-hand together when it came to Cleansing the Irish state of what they deemed unworthy.
 

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MOTHER AND BABY HOMES DELAY ADDS INSULT TO INJURY

"Judge Murphy surely knew quite some time ago that this deadline would be missed," comments Fintan Dunne, media liaison for Irish First Mothers.

"So why didn't either the judge or the Minister inform leaders of the survivor community long before now? They were led to believe that some closure awaited survivors this Spring. This betrayal is devastating for them."

"This is a grossly incompetent Commission. It's inquiries should have been structured to produce a timely first report based on a representative sample of cases. That way an informed response by government could already be underway. Instead, the original injury is being constantly layered with further insults."


Fintan Dunne, media liaison for Irish First Mothers
Fintan Dunne is an Irish Mother?

Anyone?:confused:
 

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The Irish state of course quietly continues its efforts to sweep the 'painful happenings' of the past under the carpet by whatever means it can.

In a sense the last few governments have been worse than the governments which were in place when the abuses were taking place in religious run institutions and the nuns were making money out of the human trafficking industry.

The governments back then were full of people who couldn't contemplate or imagine wrongdoing in that quarter. There's no such excuse available for government of the modern day.
 

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You can see a very familiar form of tip-toeing carefully around anything which might prove revelatory by Zappone, her Department and other arms of government.

Apart from failing to collect redress monies from very wealthy orders, failing to follow up on promised prosecutions in matters arising from the Ryan Commisson Report, covering up the names of those involved in abuses detailed in the latter on the basis of those prosecutions which never arrived, Irish Government activity while not exactly being a byword for alacrity down the years is familiarly glacial in the matter of dealing with the more socially gothic elements of the past.

Mainly because all these institutions, the Tuam home, the institutions in a lot of cases had members of the politically dynastic on visiting committees and boards and in position where they could have had an effect on the incidence of institutional abuses and did nothing.

It is the 'good German' stuff where no government of today wants to draw the ire of local councillor and TD families in their party for uncovering an institutional past which could not have happened had their relatives in many cases not been asleep at the wheel in association with local institutional governance at best and negligent and stupid at worst.

Bear in mind these days you still get a lot of 'political families' who would have a TD or Senator or be active party apparatchiks down the country who would not want the local social history and their family's part in it being brought into the daylight.

You know that line from Cold Comfort Farm. 'There's something nasty in the kitchen'.

Always the instinct is to obfuscate, delay till they die, hum and haw and hope it all somehow goes away with the passage of time.

The route of full disclosure brings the Irish terror of shame with it. And no-one knows where it would lead so it is doubly terrifying and the only political capital available is to try newer ways of covering it all up.

One of these days we might see a Taoiseach dabbing an eye in the Oireachtas when speaking of such issues, while quietly continuing as these professional liars do, to be part of the problem rather than the solution.

Oh-wait... that has already come to pass.
 

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Back in 2011 from an examination of lcandidates standing in local elections 2009 something like 40% were relatives of sitting or former members of the Oireachtas.

now take that back 30, 40 and 50 years and you get the picture.
 

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Minister Zappone's Trump Manoeuvre...



@Politicians,


:mad2: MINISTER FOR CHILDREN KATHERINE ZAPPONE IS PULLING AN AMERICAN DONALD TRUMP MANOEUVRE :mad2:


MINISTER ZAPPONE SHOULD BE :thumbsup: *EJECTED FROM THE DAIL* :thumbsup: FOR HER PARTICIPATION IN A CRIMINAL CABAL THAT IS TRYING TO OBSTRUCT JUSTICE



THEY INTEND TO PASS LEGISLATION THAT WILL OBSTRUCT JUSTICE FOR THE TUAM CHILDREN :mad2: *WITHOUT BENEFIT OF A COMPLETED REPORT* :mad2: FROM THE COMMISSION OF INVESTIGATION INTO MOTHER AND BABY HOMES



*THIS LEGISLATION MUST NOT BE VOTED IN*




@Everyone,


:thumbsup: TALK TO _ALL_ YOUR TDS AND TELL THEM TO VOTE DOWN ZAPPONE'S CORRUPT ACT :thumbsup:
 

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You can see a very familiar form of tip-toeing carefully around anything which might prove revelatory by Zappone, her Department and other arms of government.

Apart from failing to collect redress monies from very wealthy orders, failing to follow up on promised prosecutions in matters arising from the Ryan Commisson Report, covering up the names of those involved in abuses detailed in the latter on the basis of those prosecutions which never arrived, Irish Government activity while not exactly being a byword for alacrity down the years is familiarly glacial in the matter of dealing with the more socially gothic elements of the past.

Mainly because all these institutions, the Tuam home, the institutions in a lot of cases had members of the politically dynastic on visiting committees and boards and in position where they could have had an effect on the incidence of institutional abuses and did nothing.

It is the 'good German' stuff where no government of today wants to draw the ire of local councillor and TD families in their party for uncovering an institutional past which could not have happened had their relatives in many cases not been asleep at the wheel in association with local institutional governance at best and negligent and stupid at worst.

Bear in mind these days you still get a lot of 'political families' who would have a TD or Senator or be active party apparatchiks down the country who would not want the local social history and their family's part in it being brought into the daylight.

You know that line from Cold Comfort Farm. 'There's something nasty in the kitchen'.

Always the instinct is to obfuscate, delay till they die, hum and haw and hope it all somehow goes away with the passage of time.

The route of full disclosure brings the Irish terror of shame with it. And no-one knows where it would lead so it is doubly terrifying and the only political capital available is to try newer ways of covering it all up.

One of these days we might see a Taoiseach dabbing an eye in the Oireachtas when speaking of such issues, while quietly continuing as these professional liars do, to be part of the problem rather than the solution.

Oh-wait... that has already come to pass.


The route of full disclosure brings the Irish terror of shame with it. And no-one knows where it would lead so it is doubly terrifying and the only political capital available is to try newer ways of covering it all up.

Zappone was appointed Minister for Children and Youth Affairs on 6 May 2016. Independent Zappone made firm assurances at that time not to upset the status quo (Taoiseach Enda Kenny)...


Minister for Children and Youth Affairs | dcya.gov.ie 2019


Zappone, ever the fox, only wanted to look after her political base issues (SSM, Repeal the 8th, and lesser publicised same sex adoption rights... and perhaps an eye on the main chance ~ Aras). Mod Mercurial even commented on Zappone's betrayal of the Tuam children, after getting what she wanted for her political base.


Government talks: Katherine Zappone in line for junior ministry after supporting Enda Kenny | Irish Examiner



Unmarried gay and heterosexual couples can now adopt a child - Independent.ie


Eilish O'Regan

October 18 2017 2:30 AM


Gay and heterosexual couples who have been living together for at least three years or gay couples who are in a civil partnership will be able to apply to adopt a child from tomorrow.

Up to now a couple had to be married to adopt a child together.

The commencement order for the provisions of the Adoption (Amendment) Act 2017 was signed by Children's Minister Katherine Zappone.

Parenting LGBT



Lumpy, another compounding factor for me to demand Minister Katherine Zappone's resignation is ~~~


The Commission's SECRET HEARINGS, which breach the European Convention of Human Rights to have an effective investigation (Dr Maeve O'Rourke, NUIG recently backed me here).


I put Zappone on notice (Original Castlepollard orphan thread) regarding the Commission being shrouded in secrecy ... *NOT* ALLOWING any PUBLIC HEARINGS. As I said at the time, Zappone was a Commissioner with the Irish Human Rights Commission (from 2002 - 2012). THEREFORE, MINISTER ZAPPONE KNEW THIS COMMISSION WAS A CROCK.



#WeKnow
 

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You can see a very familiar form of tip-toeing carefully around anything which might prove revelatory by Zappone, her Department and other arms of government.

Apart from failing to collect redress monies from very wealthy orders, failing to follow up on promised prosecutions in matters arising from the Ryan Commisson Report, covering up the names of those involved in abuses detailed in the latter on the basis of those prosecutions which never arrived, Irish Government activity while not exactly being a byword for alacrity down the years is familiarly glacial in the matter of dealing with the more socially gothic elements of the past.

Mainly because all these institutions, the Tuam home, the institutions in a lot of cases had members of the politically dynastic on visiting committees and boards and in position where they could have had an effect on the incidence of institutional abuses and did nothing.

It is the 'good German' stuff where no government of today wants to draw the ire of local councillor and TD families in their party for uncovering an institutional past which could not have happened had their relatives in many cases not been asleep at the wheel in association with local institutional governance at best and negligent and stupid at worst.

Bear in mind these days you still get a lot of 'political families' who would have a TD or Senator or be active party apparatchiks down the country who would not want the local social history and their family's part in it being brought into the daylight.

You know that line from Cold Comfort Farm. 'There's something nasty in the kitchen'.

Always the instinct is to obfuscate, delay till they die, hum and haw and hope it all somehow goes away with the passage of time.

The route of full disclosure brings the Irish terror of shame with it. And no-one knows where it would lead so it is doubly terrifying and the only political capital available is to try newer ways of covering it all up.

One of these days we might see a Taoiseach dabbing an eye in the Oireachtas when speaking of such issues, while quietly continuing as these professional liars do, to be part of the problem rather than the solution.

Oh-wait... that has already come to pass.
Great post Lumpy.
 
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