Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Second Thread)


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Podcast of Galway Talks with Keith Finnegan – Friday February 8th 2019

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Podcast of Galway Talks with Keith Finnegan - Friday February 8th 2019 - Galway Bay FM


On today’s show Keith spoke to Catherine Corless about the launch of Tuam mother and baby home oral history project



Catherine Corless (Ms Corless had her nervous cough again when she was speaking about this event to Keith Finnegan) ~~~


Ms Corless said Catrione Crowe moderator of Panel Discussion at NUIG talked about Commission of Inquiry and government for not bringing out interim report sooner. Catrione spoke about the secrecy of the Commission and how they won't involve survivors even though this is all about them in the first place.



STARRY:


Non survivor Catherine Corless and Minister for Children Katherine Zappone were both on Galway Bay FM Keith Finnegan Show on 24 October 2018, and this DOUBLE ACT spent their time on the show :mad2: BACKSLAPPING EACH OTHER. :mad2: It was NAUSEATING to listen to both of them. How much worse for survivors. How quickly things have changed Ms Corless.




^^^I DISAGREED WITH MS CATHERINE CORLESS' RESOUNDING ENDORSEMENT OF MINISTER ZAPPONE ON 24 OCTOBER 2018^^^



HERE'S TUAM HOME SURVIVORS NETWORK STATEMENT ~~~ THSN DON'T MINCE THEIR WORDS:


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*Statement on behalf of the Tuam Home Survivors Network 03/02/2019*



To ensure there is no ambiguity on the position of the Tuam Home Survivors Network in relation to recent announcements by Katherine Zappone and the Government, kindly note the following:


The aims and policy of the Tuam Home Survivors Network are


The exhumation of all human remains at the Tuam site.


:thumbsup: The creation of a DNA database of all survivors, family members of survivors, family members of those registered as dying in the Tuam home and family members of any persons known to be missing from the Tuam home so as to identify as many as possible of the human remains.


:thumbsup: That all aspects of the forensic exhumation of the Tuam mass grave be undertaken by the only legal authority both permitted and obliged to do so, the Coroners Service under the auspices of the Department of Justice.


:thumbsup: It is beyond debate that the Minister continues to act ultra vires in this matter. That is our clear position.


:thumbsup: The fact that Coroner for North Galway has failed in his duty to convene an Inquest or that successive Attorneys General have failed in their duty to appoint another Coroner, or the fact that the Department of Justice has failed to fulfil its role, does not mean that their powers devolve on the Minister for Children by default.


:thumbsup: It is difficult to see what if any role the Minister for Children has in this matter. Any suggestion that she has the power to control the process of bringing closure to the Tuam story is constitutionally and legally absurd and we do not in any way support it.




 

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If Zappone gets NEW legislation through Orieachtas for her cronies to handle the exhumation instead of a coroner, then THEY ARE FREE TO DO IT WRONG. THAT'S WHAT THEY WANT, A BUILT IN EXCUSE FOR DOING IT WRONG. HEY, WE DON'T HAVE THE EXPERIENCE.
 

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Continued…


:thumbsup: It was great to hear Independent Catherine Connolly in the Dáil Éireann debate on Thursday 7 February 2019 call for an interim report on the substantive nature of what has been discovered by the Commission:


There should be an interim report on the substantive nature of what has been discovered by the commission. I see no reason why a substantive interim report cannot be published.

Catherine Connolly
Dáil Éireann debate on Thursday 7 February 2019
Fourth Interim Report of the Commission of Investigation into Mother and Baby Homes: Statements
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Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Second Thread) - Page 112



:thumbsup: Similarly, I (Starry) had earlier asked for below *TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MARCH 2019 INTERIM REPORT* and I set out my argument why this should be done:


#1046

27 January 2019

Castlepollard Exclusion From Commission on Mother and Baby Homes INQUIRY. (Second Thread) - Page 105


~Snip~


:thumbsup: *The next interim report in March 2019 should include all the known facts to date across the full scope of the Commission's investigation.*



:thumbsup: ^^^ That way this interim report will inform legislators who are being :devilish: manipulated :devilish: into consideration of new legislation that will shield culpable parties.


 

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Secret Report to Cabinet



SECRET REPORT TO CABINET OF RECOMMENDATIONS BY MINISTER ZAPPONE'S COLLABORATIVE FORUM AND SUB-COMMITTEES



:thumbsup: *SURVIVORS HAVE A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT RECOMMENDATIONS ARE CONTAINED WITHIN THE REPORT TO GO BEFORE CABINET* :thumbsup:




Nothing About Us Without Us




https://www.facebook.com/groups/avoiceforfirstmothers/



"Fintan Dunne shared David Kinsella's post"


https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2259545100999853&set=a.1770136813274020&type=3&eid=ARBYRt_RLuuqHOJglLkVs3Vptxct8c8wpPnQJIMgTm70pb 6es3qBoIxVgNVBjNA8wldKiYypS7vNwexj&ifg=1


'David Kinsella is with Sheila O Byrne and 24 others' ~~~


MOTHER AND INFANT INSTITUTIONS SURVIVORS I call on the COLLABORATIVE FORM and sub COMMITTEES to put up a link or get SURVIVORS emails of KATHERINE ZAPPONES DEPARTMENT and give survivors a copy of the recomndations that collaborative forum gave to MINISTER Zappone on the 8th of December 2018 it is IMPERATIVE that COLLABORATIVE FORM forward the Full content of RECCOMDATIONS A.S.A.P. for survivors to be sure that no COLLUSION or Hidden Agendas are going on between Government & COLLABORATIVE FORM. this is essential to the values put down


** NOTHING WITH US WITHOUT US **


this value combines with Government & COLLABORATIVE FORM and Sub Committees.


however also I and other SURVIVORS wish to know where the completed RECCOMDATIONS from the voice & words from the survivors in the Westin Hotel & Silversprings Cork meetings survivors RECCOMDATIONS are in the content of that report by Jim Halley i sincerely hope that the Westin Hotel & Silversprings Hotel wasn't a SURVIVORS GROOMING EXERCISE . I REST MY CASE.


BELOW MEDIA REPRESENTATIVE FOR IRISH FIRST MOTHERS ~ FINTAN DUNNE ~ REPLIES TO DAVID KINSELLA (SURVIVOR OF ST PATRICK'S MOTHER AND BABY HOME ON NAVAN ROAD, RUN BY DAUGHTERS OF CHARITY) ~~~



Fintan Dunne's Reply:


Strange indeed that the affected community are not being informed what is in the report to the cabinet about their needs! The Collaborative Forum is not presenting our demands to cabinet. It is just a begging letter looking for crumbs from the table. No wonder we are not allowed to even SEE the begging list before it goes to government. It's a joke.



:thumbsup: The government HAD our demands from the outreach meetings. :thumbsup:



:devilish: :mad2: Instead of meeting those demands it set up an elaborate charade to REPLACE the people who came to the outreach. And so a stacked deck forum replaced genuine representative demands with a watered-down begging list. Game's up Government. We're On to You! :devilish: :mad2:


You're right David to suspect Government using their 'outreach' as a grooming exercise. Like a predator, they talked nice and promised lots while setting us up for more abuse. What a sick joke this has become.


SHAM COLLABORATIVE FORUM ~~~


:thumbsup: Fintan Dunne resigned from Zappone's sham Collaborative Forum. Paul Redmond Chairperson Coalition of Mother and Baby Home Survivors also resigned. :thumbsup:





Nothing About Us Without Us

Nothing About Us Without Us - Wikipedia



Nothing About Us Without Us!" (Latin: "Nihil de nobis, sine nobis") is a slogan used to communicate the idea that no policy should be decided by any representative without the full and direct participation of members of the group(s) affected by that policy. This involves national, ethnic, disability-based, or other groups that are often thought to be marginalized from political, social, and economic opportunities.

The saying has its origins in Central European political traditions. It was the political motto that helped establish—and, loosely translated into Latin, provided the name for—Poland's 1505 constitutional legislation, Nihil novi, which first transferred governing authority from the monarch to the parliament. It subsequently became a byword for democratic norms. In this use, it is closely analogous to one of the most familiar slogans of the American Revolutionary War, 'No taxation without representation'.[1] It is also a long-standing principle of Hungarian law and foreign policy,[2] and was a cornerstone of the foreign policy of interwar Poland.[3][4]

The term in its English form came into use in disability activism during the 1990s. James Charlton relates that he first heard the term used in talks by South African disability activists Michael Masutha and William Rowland, who had in turn heard the phrase used by an unnamed East European activist at an earlier international disability rights conference. In 1998, Charlton used the saying as title for a book on disability rights.[5] Disability rights activist David Werner used the same title for another book, also published in 1998.[6]

The saying has since moved from the disability rights movement to other interest group, identity politics, and populist movements.[7][8]

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Viva La Revolution!



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T-Rex - Children of The Revolution


"No you won't fool the children of the revolution
No you won't fool the children of the revolution
No you won't fool the children of the revolution
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T-Rex - Children of the Revolution




You won't fool the children of the revolution
 

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Crimes Against Humanity



https://www.facebook.com/groups/avoiceforfirstmothers/

Brenda Coughlan


Forced adoptions means the illegal removal from a mother's womb - part of her body - of her newborn baby - legal guardian of her newborn baby - tied down during birthing process with wrist shackles - never permitted to see her baby - it was illegal and the law was breached - has nothing to do with the propaganda and falsehoods that has been built since our National apologies 21.3.2013 - it is about ABDUCTION - STOLEN - THEFT - KIDNAPPING OF NEWBORN BABIES - from their legal guardian their natural mothers - it has nothing to do with legal process of adoption as many babies died in foster care or were unfit for adoption and placed into institutional care both occasions without the mothers knowledge - IT IS TIME TO BRING THE TRUTH BACK INTO THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF ALL AUSTRALIANS and remove the conspiratorial intent that continues to brain wash the consciousness of the Nation it was about adoption - propaganda - falsehoods - IT IS ABOUT CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY - THE LAW WAS BREACHED IN THE MOST ERGERIOUS WAY - and read the words on the above plaque and read the words on the below picture of the mother and child cherished memorial as a result of Independent Regional Mothersw - standing firmly on the foundations of truth and not falsehoods = wording on plaque below are words spoken by former Prime Minister Jiulia Gillard and former Premier and Depuity Premier of Victoria Ted Ballieu and Peter Ryan. If one wants further proof of the crimes committed the words spoken by Daniel Andrews whilst Opposition Leader "tenets against civilisation" etc. etc. The misinterpretation - miscommunication - misinformation of mother's truth (mother and her newborn baby) is simply propaganda and TRUTH WILL PREVAIL as time does not invalidate a crime - and TRUTH is TRUTH - and any person or persons who attempt to conceal these crimes become accomplices to the crimes.- former forced adoption POLICIES AND PRACTICES that has no justification - no legislation - THEY WERE CRIMES against humanity.





Brenda Coughlan, you should research Bessborough Mother and Baby Home as well as other such homes in Ireland.
 

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'Woman beaten and abused by Belfast nuns wins compensation'


High Court in Belfast hears plaintiff was forced to bathe in disinfectant at home run by Sisters of Nazareth - she is to receive a £50,000 (€57,000) payout plus costs



Woman beaten and abused by Belfast nuns wins compensation


By Alan Erwin


The settlement was announced at the High Court in a case which also involved allegations she was fed food unfit for human consumption.

The woman, who is not being identified, sued the Sisters of Nazareth over her treatment while in their care decades ago.

Her lawyers claimed she was subjected to assaults, neglect and humiliation at Nazareth House.

It was alleged that the woman endured repeated beatings with a leather strap, stick and bunch of keys. She claimed fingernails were pressed into her arms and wrists, and clumps of hair pulled out.

Papers in the case alleged she was forced to remain outdoors for lengthy periods in extremely cold weather while inadequately clothed. The woman further claimed that she was at times kept alone inside an unlit cupboard.
 

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'Woman beaten and abused by Belfast nuns wins compensation'


High Court in Belfast hears plaintiff was forced to bathe in disinfectant at home run by Sisters of Nazareth - she is to receive a £50,000 (€57,000) payout plus costs



Woman beaten and abused by Belfast nuns wins compensation


By Alan Erwin


The settlement was announced at the High Court in a case which also involved allegations she was fed food unfit for human consumption.

The woman, who is not being identified, sued the Sisters of Nazareth over her treatment while in their care decades ago.

Her lawyers claimed she was subjected to assaults, neglect and humiliation at Nazareth House.

It was alleged that the woman endured repeated beatings with a leather strap, stick and bunch of keys. She claimed fingernails were pressed into her arms and wrists, and clumps of hair pulled out.

Papers in the case alleged she was forced to remain outdoors for lengthy periods in extremely cold weather while inadequately clothed. The woman further claimed that she was at times kept alone inside an unlit cupboard.
I am always highly suspicious when the name of the plaintiff is not given.


Also the article does not indicate whether these allegations are the basis of why she is being given Compensation.
 

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I am always highly suspicious when the name of the plaintiff is not given.


Also the article does not indicate whether these allegations are the basis of why she is being given Compensation.


The plaintiff's Statement of Claim was settled. The defendants didn't want this case going any further, so they made an offer. The paltry sum of 50K would mean a lot to the woman who had her potentially good life (i.e., future earnings, health, etc) destroyed by sadistic nuns. The damage inflicted by the evil sisters had a 'profound and permanent effect' on the plaintiff (and other children who endured this Nazareth House of horrors).
 

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The plaintiff's Statement of Claim was settled. The defendants didn't want this case going any further, so they made an offer. The paltry sum of 50K would mean a lot to the woman who had her potentially good life (i.e., future earnings, health, etc) destroyed by sadistic nuns. The damage inflicted by the evil sisters had a 'profound and permanent effect' on the plaintiff (and other children who endured this Nazareth House of horrors).
Where in that report does it say that was the basis she was given the cash?

These were allegations made

- no proof was offered.
 

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Minister Zappone has published Terms of Reference leading up to drafting legislation of legal options regarding DNA sampling



Minister for Children has asked special rapporteur on child protection Dr Geoffrey Shannon to provide a report within eight weeks


Tuam remains: Terms of report on DNA test options published



By Elaine Edwards



Last month, members of the Tuam Home Survivors Network called on the Government to begin collecting their DNA to eliminate any delay in returning human remains found on the site to relatives for dignified burials.

The terms of reference request the Government’s special rapporteur on child protection Dr Geoffrey Shannon, in consultation with the Minister’s officials, to consider what may be possible within the current legislative framework.

His examination is to have particular reference to “the collection of biological samples for comparison purposes and the extent to which any relevant family rights under Article 8 of the European Convention on Human Rights might apply”.

It will also have regard to “how best to ensure that the rights of those who wish to give biological samples could be safeguarded in respect of sensitive personal data and informed consent”.


Ms Zappone said the purpose of collecting samples would be to compare against any DNA profiles which may be generated from the juvenile human remains found at the site and, if possible, to make positive identifications.

“These issues will ultimately be addressed within the bespoke legislation that is currently being scoped by my department. [THIS SOUNDS CONTRADICTORY]


STARRY:


Before committing to undertaking new legislation they should first understand what is possible under existing legislation. The terms of reference indicate bespoke legislation will be a certainty. This sounds contradictory considering the terms of reference make it clear Minister Zappone does not even know what is possible under current legislation.
 

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Where in that report does it say that was the basis she was given the cash?

These were allegations made

- no proof was offered.

The plaintiff's statement of claim was about the treatment she suffered while in the care of Sisters of Nazareth's House of Horrors. Her lawyers also outlined what the plaintiff was subjected to.

You have no idea what supporting documentation was given in discovery.

The defendants didn't want the case going to court.
 

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No news yet on convicted felon Cardinal George Pell's second trial this month.

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Shocking details are coming out about convicted paedophile priest Thomas Fulcher


'There was a culture of shame, silence and fear'

Former students of Burnies Marist College come forward after conviction of paedophile priest - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


In December 2018, Thomas Fulcher was sentenced to four years' prison, two without parole, after pleading guilty to sexually abusing two boys at Burnie's Marist College, in north-west Tasmania, between 1964 and 1967.

Fulcher was the fifth staff member associated with Marist College, now the Marist Regional College, to have been convicted of sex offences.

Now, multiple former students have come forward alleging they too were abused by Fulcher, including former state Greens MP Paul O'Halloran and his brother Stephen.

[Paul O'Halloran] Paul said his "sex lecture" with Fulcher happened when he was 14 in 1964.


Father Peter Guiren - Rector from 1961 to 1966, before being promoted to the senior position of a Provincial of the Marist Fathers in 1971


The Marist Fathers confirmed with the ABC that two complaints had been made against Father Guiren.

Stephen O'Halloran said he was abused by Father Guiren [when he was 11 years old].

"Guiren summoned me to his office after classes at around 7:00pm," he said.

"He falsely accused me of having sex with a fellow boy student. He then sat me on his knee and put his hand up my pants, and began rubbing me,"

"I was trying not to cry. It was horrible, and I was 11.

The former students said boarders were the most vulnerable as they came from remote areas of Tasmania and had to stay at the school on weekends.


Paul O'Halloran

Paul O'Halloran - Wikipedia


O'Halloran grew up on a dairy farm at Preolenna on the north west coast of Tasmania and later moved to North Motton. Early in life he was a Labor supporter, but his activism in the Franklin Dam dispute lead him to the Greens. Prior to politics, he was a schoolteacher and administrator and later a scientist at the University of Tasmania, where he managed a university agricultural industry project aimed at linking educator providers with industry.[1]
 

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The plaintiff's statement of claim was about the treatment she suffered while in the care of Sisters of Nazareth's House of Horrors. Her lawyers also outlined what the plaintiff was subjected to.

You have no idea what supporting documentation was given in discovery.

The defendants didn't want the case going to court.
You have no idea what supporting documentation was given in discovery.

Neither do you

The defendants didn't want the case going to court

Neither did the plaintiff
 

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You have no idea what supporting documentation was given in discovery.

Neither do you

The defendants didn't want the case going to court

Neither did the plaintiff


The Sisters of Nazareth breached duty of care in the civil suit… :mad2: NAZARETH HOUSE OF HORRORS... :mad2:



An anecdote: I was with someone in the Circuit Court (nothing to do with institutions) who had a strong case as submitted in his Statement of Claim. He kept being asked to go outside the courtroom by his solicitor ~ the plaintiff was seated inside the court waiting for his case to be heard. Once outside the door, he was then pressured by his solicitor to accept the defendant's "good" offer He wasn't railroaded by the barrister, but the barrister suggested it was a good offer as well The defendant's offer was literally on the doorstep of the court. The plaintiff was called outside to speak to the solicitor four times. The plaintiff flatly refused (the offer). It was left to the judge who doubled the defendant's offer and the plaintiff also got costs towards his legal fees.


My main point ~ a lot of bluff goes on (much like yourself).



The Nazareth House of Horrors is on record ~~~



*THE SISTERS OF NAZARETH BREACHED DUTY OF CARE*



Bishop Noel Treanor apologised for the systemic failings identified in the provision of care by the Diocese of Down and Connor in its DUTY OF CARE


Statement from Diocese of Down and Connor on Nazareth House and Lodge run be sadistic Sisters of Nazareth

Wed, Jun 14, 2017, 01:00
Statement from Diocese of Down and Connor on Nazareth House and Lodge


Speaking last January 2017, upon the publication of the findings of the HIA Inquiry, Bishop Noel Treanor apologised for the systemic failings identified in the provision of care by the Diocese of Down and Connor in its DUTY OF CARE:


“It is with a profound sense of shame and horror that I acknowledge the harrowing findings of this report; it shows and concludes that there were pervasive systemic failures leading to the abuse of children over many decades within institutional care homes run by the Church, the state and other voluntary organisations.


In the name of and on behalf of the Diocese of Down and Connor, I apologise wholeheartedly, unconditionally and unreservedly to all those who suffered physical, emotional, psychological or sexual abuse and who have carried the heavy burden and dark legacy of such appalling experiences from childhood."


The further findings drawn to our attention on the foot of an investigation undertaken by ‘The Detail’ into the death of 43 young children in 1942 in the care of the diocese add further to our shame. These findings demonstrate how as a Church and as a society we have failed to protect the most vulnerable members of our community. In life and in death, children should be treated with the utmost care, dignity and respect.
 

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I was made to feel like a pork sausage in a synagogue over at the other site with my thread ~~~

Cardinal George Pell Found Guilty of Child Sexual Abuse

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I posted on a new site called politics.irish while I was waiting for the problems here to be sorted out. The admin was extremely gracious toward me and started a thread with my name Starryplough01. Very welcoming. I'm not treatedl like an abonimation there.


starryplough01


They aren't competing against other Irish political forums. They want users to drive the site because they feel it should be created organically.


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I'll be back with updates on the combine harvester system of the institutions... later.
 

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I posted on a new site called politics.irish while I was waiting for the problems here to be sorted out. The admin was extremely gracious toward me and started a thread with my name Starryplough01. Very welcoming. I'm not treatedl like an abonimation there.


starryplough01


They aren't competing against other Irish political forums. They want users to drive the site because they feel it should be created organically.


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