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Catholic Church Abuse.


dmc444

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I havent seen a thread on this subject posted.

Today a report on Child abuse at the hands of the catholic church will be published

What are your thoughts?

The nine-year inquiry investigated a 60-year period.

About 35,000 children were placed in a network of reformatories, industrial schools and workhouses up to the 1980s.

More than 2,000 told the Commission to Inquire Into Child Abuse they suffered physical and sexual abuse while there.

The report said that girls supervised by orders of nuns, chiefly the Sisters of Mercy, suffered much less sexual abuse but frequent assaults and humiliation designed to make them feel worthless.

The commission said overwhelming, consistent testimony from still-traumatized men and women, now in their 50s to 80s, had demonstrated beyond a doubt that the entire system treated children more like prison inmates and slaves than people with legal rights and human potential.

The five-volume study concluded that church officials encouraged ritual beatings and consistently shielded their orders' paedophiles from arrest amid a culture of self-serving secrecy.

Links Here http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/8059826.stm
 
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marmurr1916

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According to the Irish Examiner, the report will be published online today at 2.30pm. Plenty of time for it to be the lead story on the 6.01 and 9 o'clock news.

If the revelations in the report are along the lines of what many people have been anticipating for years, then expect a sh*t-storm to descend on any institutions or individuals named in the report as bearing reponsibility for the abuse.

THE 10-year wait for the results of the state investigation into abuse of children in residential care ends today with the publication of the inquiry team’s final reports.
Five volumes of findings running to 2,500 pages will be released this afternoon by the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse, which is expected to severely criticise the cruelty of the regimes in place at 200 institutions chiefly between the 1930s and 1980s.

Almost 2,000 former residents of industrial schools, reformatories, orphanages, boarding schools and other institutions gave evidence to the commission, either through its investigation committee, which actively probed allegations against individuals and bodies, or its confidential committee, which collected the experiences of witnesses without pursuing their complaints.

Many of the children were detained in institutions for petty offences such as truancy or begging while others were orphans, abandoned or forcibly removed from their single mothers. They complained to the commission of illegal detentions; physical, emotional and educational neglect; and physical and sexual abuse.

Findings in relation to about 20 institutions which were actively investigated will be detailed in the reports, to be published online at 2.30pm today, while more general conclusions will be made about those referred to during the hearings of the confidential committee.
 

blucey

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are these orgs covered by the disgraceful FF indemnity given a number of years ago or can they be stripped of each and every asset as inadequate and partial recompense?
 

oscartango

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Wait until we have the Report. Then we can - hopefully for once - have an informed debate.
 

dmc444

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The report will be published at 3pm today i understand,
 

blucey

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Wait until we have the Report. Then we can - hopefully for once - have an informed debate.
OT : i think we know without the report that kids were raped, beaten. starved and tortured in wholesale lots. The details are important, the overall facts are well known.
 

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BoE, I appreciate that. Nevertheless, I think it advisable to have the complete official horrific Report of this before us before commenting in any detail.

Speaking as an ex-civil servant (yes, I've retired now - yippee!), I can tell you that there were MANY in the System who knew a lot of what was going on and tried to do something about it but were prevented by their political masters and their pals in the Catholic Church.
 

dmc444

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I agree that we should wait for the report, this is a shameful part of Irish history and those who took part and those who covered it up should be exposed and hopefully this report can give some insight into that.
 

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This episode leaves a terrible stain on the whole nation and stinks to high heaven. From the catholic church, who were dishing out the abuse, to the State which was charged with the care of these children. From the civil servants who as OT stated, knew what was going on but were not brave enough to betray their political masters, to the parents who sent young girls away to hide their pregnancy so they could hold their head high in their local communities is just disgraceful not to mention the height of hypocrisy.

Teachers, doctors, nurses, relations, people delivering milk; anyone who came into contact with these kids should hold their heads in shame.

Any time we feel like saying we are proud to be Irish we should think of these kids and think again.

The sad thing is that as last nights prime time shows, vulnerable young children with mental health issues are still being mistreated by the state.
 

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I am waiitng for kilbarry1 to weigh in on his opinion as to how many of these victims are making false accusations, or were simply "having affairs" witht thier abusers, and then to say that the impact on the victims was minimal or something along those lines.

My suggestion: Colm O'Gorman was gay and had been having an affair with Father Fortune!

When O'Gorman denounced Fr Fortune in 1995, the latter was in no position to tell the Gardai that he had been having a sexual affair with O'Gorman prior to 1984. After all, that would have been statutory rape!

This may also explain why Colm O'Gorman finds it so difficult to acknowledge the fact that false allegations of child abuse are a significant problem in Ireland today.

Looks like he's going to ahve a busy few days in the denial/slander business.
 

Tony_1975

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Expect an awful lot of talking and no action.
Expect no priests or bishops to be be investigated by the DPP for allowing this to happen under their noses. Expect that no one will be charged for obstructing justice even though it is well known that bishops moved offenders from one parish to another.
Expect that the catholic church will still be allowed to run a huge majority of our schools, even though they have proved spectacularly that they should not be allowed within 10 miles of a single child.
And expect a large percentage of middle aged and elderly people to continue to attend mass and fill the baskets with money.
Astonishing:-(
 

dmc444

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I think it would be unfair to brand all priests.

Does anybody know if the report will name anybody who abused?
 

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Some key facts will post link when i get it

9yr inquiry

Looked at state and church institutions since 1930's

500 priests implicated

Up to 15,000 people claiming compensation

3000 people gave evidence

2003 compensation offered at 10.8 billion

61% live in Ireland

33% live in england

4% now live in U.S and Australia
 

dmc444

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BBC Just reporting: Report: Irish government did little to stop abuse of children in work house style schools
 

blucey

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on the website http://www.childabusecommission.ie/ right now

" There will be limited copies of the Commission's Report, in both hard and soft copy, available from the Ballroom on the ground floor of the Conrad Hotel, on Earlsfort Terrace, from 3 - 4pm on Wednesday 20th May. As there is a limited number of Reports available, they will be given out on a first come first served basis. Charges may apply.
Otherwise, to request a copy of the Commission's Report, please click here: Email link to request the Report"
WTF ? Ever heard of putting a copy on the web? How can there be limited numbers of soft copies?
 

blucey

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BBC Just reporting: Report: Irish government did little to stop abuse of children in work house style schools
also pope rumoured to be secret catholic. Next : are trees made of wood? we inquire
 

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Expect an awful lot of talking and no action.
Expect no priests or bishops to be be investigated by the DPP for allowing this to happen under their noses. Expect that no one will be charged for obstructing justice even though it is well known that bishops moved offenders from one parish to another.
Expect that the catholic church will still be allowed to run a huge majority of our schools, even though they have proved spectacularly that they should not be allowed within 10 miles of a single child.
And expect a large percentage of middle aged and elderly people to continue to attend mass and fill the baskets with money.
Astonishing:-(
A cynical post and yet probably true. Sad.

The deal that was done with the religious orders was and continues to be a disgrace. They should have been bankrupted and their property seized by the state. An excellent opportunity to take a lot of the schools in the country into direct ownership by the state has been missed.

The state too (and society at large) have a lot to answer for too. There's plenty of blame to spread around here.
 

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RTE REPORT

RTÉ News: Report to focus on institutional child abuse

It also states that the safety of children was not a priority for the Christian Brothers who ran the institutions.

The report follows ten years of work by the commission and dealt with thousands of complaints from former residents of predominantly Catholic institutions

The report says that the Christian Brothers Order was defensive in the way it responded to complaints and claims the order fails to accept any congregational responsibility for such abuse.

More allegations were made against the Christian Brothers than all of the other male orders combined.

The report does not identify respondents and even gives pseudonyms to those found guilty in a criminal trial

It states that physical punishment in Artane was excessive and children constantly felt under threat and were fearful.
 

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