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Catholic Church: Fetuses are NOT people and have NO rights


CptSternn

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Daily Kos: A fetus is not a person if it costs us money, says Catholic Church

Just a few months ago in America the Catholic Church sent it's representatives to Congress to argue that life begins at conception, just like they are arguing here, and that unborn children are still children with the same rights as everyone else.

Well, turns out the Church is now arguing just the opposite.

A woman who was pregnant with twins had some difficulty and went to a Catholic hospital where her doctor was supposed to be. He never answered his page, left her in the A&E for some time, and the twins died.

Now the family is suing the Church, as the Church owns and operates the hospital. And what are the lawyers for the Church arguing? A fetus is NOT a person, it has NO rights, and therefore they cannot be sued.

It appears the 'rights' of the unborn only exist when it is convenient for certain people. If money is involved, then feck 'em, they are just fetuses.
 


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poster petaljam posted about this on the unite for life thread last evening, there was much spinning from the faithful
 

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A broad Church obviously.
 

EUrJokingMeRight

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I feel sorry for her but all churches abandon you when you need them most, ie right after you die and the worms/fire/water consumes you into the great universal recycling bin.

I agree. Fetuses have no rights. Simple. The mother has the right what to decide, it is her body, she does not have to support another if she does not want to. It is not a complicated situation.
Hey even sqatters rights dont kick in for 12 years!
 

Paddyc

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No,

But they would have been sued for negligently representing their clients, which to a lawyer is worse than excommunication!
 

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Limerick Lad

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Is anyone surprised, before divorce was legalised in Ireland, the Irish Catholic Church was in effect condoning bigamous marriages by allowing those who had a Church annulment to remarry in Catholic churches while they were still legally married to their first spouse, yet at the same time they were campaigning against the introduction of divorce.
 
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Is anyone surprised, before divorce was legalised in Ireland, the Irish Catholic Church was in effect condoning bigamous marriages by allowing those who had a Church annulment to remarry in Catholic churches while they were still legally married to their first spouse, yet at the same time they were campaigning against the introduction of divorce.
No. Has that changed?
 

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I presume their lawyers are arguing the case based on American law, rather than Catholic teaching.

For good or bad, the US isn't run according to Canon law.
 

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A thread typical of CptSternn: Grossly misleading.

That is not the position of the Catholic Church.

The Church is not being sued and did not give that defense - Catholic Health Initiatives, the organisation that runs the hospital did.

Fetuses aren't people, says Catholic hospital: Does argument contradict church doctrine? - Denver - News - The Latest Word
Thanks for clearing that up. Do us a favour and let us know when the Vatican ex-communicates all concerned though, won't you?
 

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Daily Kos: A fetus is not a person if it costs us money, says Catholic Church

Just a few months ago in America the Catholic Church sent it's representatives to Congress to argue that life begins at conception, just like they are arguing here, and that unborn children are still children with the same rights as everyone else.

Well, turns out the Church is now arguing just the opposite.

A woman who was pregnant with twins had some difficulty and went to a Catholic hospital where her doctor was supposed to be. He never answered his page, left her in the A&E for some time, and the twins died.

Now the family is suing the Church, as the Church owns and operates the hospital. And what are the lawyers for the Church arguing? A fetus is NOT a person, it has NO rights, and therefore they cannot be sued.

It appears the 'rights' of the unborn only exist when it is convenient for certain people. If money is involved, then feck 'em, they are just fetuses.
Another anti-Catholic rant. Would you ever grow up.
 

DaveM

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I presume their lawyers are arguing the case based on American law, rather than Catholic teaching.

For good or bad, the US isn't run according to Canon law.
And from a legal perspective they may well win the case. Doesn't change the fact that it demonstrates an innate hypocrisy on their part though, does it?
 

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So it has rights when it's some poor young one who got pregnant but not when there's a chance that the RCC could be sued?

Silvio oh Silvio?
 

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I presume their lawyers are arguing the case based on American law, rather than Catholic teaching.

For good or bad, the US isn't run according to Canon law.
So, do you think the RCC in Ireland will now quietly step aside and allow us to legislate with no reference to their rules?
 

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Thanks for clearing that up. Do us a favour and let us know when the Vatican ex-communicates all concerned though, won't you?
I'm sure 'The Daily Kos' and CptSternn will keep us updated on this.
 

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A thread typical of CptSternn: Grossly misleading.

That is not the position of the Catholic Church.

The Church is not being sued and did not give that defense - Catholic Health Initiatives, the organisation that runs the hospital did.

Fetuses aren't people, says Catholic hospital: Does argument contradict church doctrine? - Denver - News - The Latest Word
But isn't the Church more than just the strictly the hierarchy. The fact that the organisation describes itself as 'Catholic' might suggest that it has the imprimatur of the Church and if this is the case then the Church should remove this imprimatur because of the CHI's use of an immoral argument to win a court case.
 

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A thread typical of CptSternn: Grossly misleading.

That is not the position of the Catholic Church.

The Church is not being sued and did not give that defense - Catholic Health Initiatives, the organisation that runs the hospital did.

Fetuses aren't people, says Catholic hospital: Does argument contradict church doctrine? - Denver - News - The Latest Word
If Catholic Health Initiatives is putting forward an argument contrary to Catholic Church teaching, why hasn't the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, whose ethical and religious directives Catholic Health Initiatives says it seeks to follow, publicly condemned the use of this defence.


The organization’s mission, according to its promotional literature, is to “nurture the healing ministry of the Church” and to be guided by “fidelity to the Gospel.” Toward those ends, Catholic Health facilities seek to follow the Ethical and Religious Directives of the Catholic Church authored by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. Those rules have stirred controversy for decades, mainly for forbidding non-natural birth control and abortions. “Catholic health care ministry witnesses to the sanctity of life ‘from the moment of conception until death,’” the directives state. “The Church’s defense of life encompasses the unborn.”
In malpractice case, Catholic hospital argues fetuses aren’t people | The Colorado Independent
 

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