Catholic Schools become multi-denominational

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Starting this term, three primary schools are changing from a Catholic ethos, to a multi-denominational. One school is in Roscommon, and the other two in Kerry,


According to one of the members of the board “This is what the community wanted and I was happy to facilitate that process,” said Fr Patsy Lynch,the parish priest.

Is this the start of the first major change in the education system since Donogh O'Malley announced the introduction of free secondary school education over 50 years ago, or an anomaly?
 


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it is inevitable really, but the ownership of the bricks and mortar of those schools- are they owned by any religious order, does anyone know?

The last thing we need is the conversion of religious ethos schools to multi-denominational with some hound in a collar sitting in the background deciding what multi-denominational schools should look like according to his lights.

The ownership of schools is a major issue for the future and it would be a lot easier to deal with it now in a controlled and managed way rather than be held ransom by some overseas trust in a tax-haven which is where ownership will end up as these orders die out.

It'll be a lot harder to deal with down the road than now.
 

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it is inevitable really, but the ownership of the bricks and mortar of those schools- are they owned by any religious order, does anyone know?

The last thing we need is the conversion of religious ethos schools to multi-denominational with some hound in a collar sitting in the background deciding what multi-denominational schools should look like according to his lights.

The ownership of schools is a major issue for the future and it would be a lot easier to deal with it now in a controlled and managed way rather than be held ransom by some overseas trust in a tax-haven which is where ownership will end up as these orders die out.

It'll be a lot harder to deal with down the road than now.
Your hatred of the catholic church really knows no bounds. Yesterday you had to bring up the case of a priest who was a tax evader. Have you ever acknowledged in any way the good done by priests and nuns that well outweighs the evil done by a minority?
 

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Never was much interested in the PR side. It is the money-grabbing con allied to a rat-run system for paedophiles, generations of narky little nuns with anger management issues (unsurprisingly) carrying out sadistic beatings on children and then of course there's the considerable crew of degenerates it passed as 'holy' through their seminaries.

Other than that, sure your organisation is grand. You want to think about the 'good'
nuns and priests?
 

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The status of schools should be decided by the parents and kept under review every 5 to 10 years. Many schools will in my opinion decide to remain as is.
 

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When it comes to 'ethos' I would say that the parents via boards should decide the school's ethos.

Not some minister, or some clown in a collar flogging 'morals' his cult clearly has no intention of ever owning.

Parents would be at least justifiable.

My concern would be that the state takes control of the bricks and mortar of these schools before we end up by default dealing with a load of overseas trusts owned by the chapter houses in Rome.
 

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The status of schools should be decided by the parents and kept under review every 5 to 10 years. Many schools will in my opinion decide to remain as is.
The status of a school should be decided by the body which OWNS the school.
 

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Never was much interested in the PR side. It is the money-grabbing con allied to a rat-run system for paedophiles, generations of narky little nuns with anger management issues (unsurprisingly) carrying out sadistic beatings on children and then of course there's the considerable crew of degenerates it passed as 'holy' through their seminaries.

Other than that, sure your organisation is grand. You want to think about the 'good' nuns and priests?
If you do not like the Catholic Church stay away from it. Stop your sectarian
aggression against Catholics.
 

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Never was much interested in the PR side. It is the money-grabbing con allied to a rat-run system for paedophiles, generations of narky little nuns with anger management issues (unsurprisingly) carrying out sadistic beatings on children and then of course there's the considerable crew of degenerates it passed as 'holy' through their seminaries.

Other than that, sure your organisation is grand. You want to think about the 'good'
nuns and priests?
Do you think they did any good work at all?
 

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Starting this term, three primary schools are changing from a Catholic ethos, to a multi-denominational. One school is in Roscommon, and the other two in Kerry,


According to one of the members of the board “This is what the community wanted and I was happy to facilitate that process,” said Fr Patsy Lynch,the parish priest.

Is this the start of the first major change in the education system since Donogh O'Malley announced the introduction of free secondary school education over 50 years ago, or an anomaly?
BACK TO THE FUTURE
When the government national schools system began in the 1830s, legislation allowed for multidenominational schools. But the main religions wanted exclusive schools to further religious indoctrination and governments gave in to them. That legislation is still the law of the land.
 

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Do you think they did any good work at all?
I'm sure some did. Then again not everyone in a nazi uniform behaved like a war criminal either.

If the ordinary 'good' priests and nuns are upset by the capers of the degenerates and their support system in the hierarchy they can go and take it up with the princes of the church.

But I don't recall an awful lot of activity in that direction. The only response from teh rank and file as far as I am aware is a noticeable trend towards abandoning wearing the uniform.

It wasn't the agnostics, atheists, or even the average remaining and mostly elderly church-goers that did that. That was the princes of the church who arranged that situation with their ludicrous succession of made up explanations for the ethical death of their church.
 

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Which is the state
No. The state does not own all the schools although it does pay the staffs wages. Most schools are owned by the Catholic Church and private owners. The state only owns a small amount of schools.
 

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No. The state does not own all the schools although it does pay the staffs wages. Most schools are owned by the Catholic Church and private owners. The state only owns a small amount of schools.
That needs to change.
 

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No. The state does not own all the schools although it does pay the staffs wages. Most schools are owned by the Catholic Church and private owners. The state only owns a small amount of schools.
That is absolutely not correct.
 

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The catholic church is a passing landlord. And one that didn't put a penny into the ownership of the bricks and mortar of these school buildings.

They were paid for by money collected from Irish people by that organisation.

They've had plenty of billions down the centuries to send to Rome in order to buy influence for their chapter houses there, and all of the money that came from Ireland came from the people of Ireland.

I wouldn't have any hesitation in nationalising all school and hospital premises overnight without any warning.

It would be a smart move in order to forestall having to deal with the remains of the catholic day in the form of some lawyer representing an offshore trust, trying to extract more money to put in that very greasy till by the Tiber on top of the money they already gained from the people of Ireland under false pretences.

A number of religious orders have been given a number of opportunities to pay their redress bills. I'd start with them.

New locks on the doors at midnight. End of problem.
 

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That is absolutely not correct.
This is from citizens info...

"The majority of primary schools in Ireland are privately owned and supported by the different churches. The State pays the bulk of the building and running costs and a local contribution is made towards the running costs.

In the case of Catholic and Church of Ireland schools, the owners are usually the diocesan trustees.”


Please do some research before claiming I am wrong in future. Don't really have the time to correct you on these most basic of facts. Who did you think owned the schools?
 

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The catholic church is a passing landlord. And one that didn't put a penny into the ownership of the bricks and mortar of these school buildings.

They were paid for by money collected from Irish people by that organisation.

They've had plenty of billions down the centuries to send to Rome in order to buy influence for their chapter houses there, and all of the money that came from Ireland came from the people of Ireland.

I wouldn't have any hesitation in nationalising all school and hospital premises overnight without any warning.

It would be a smart move in order to forestall having to deal with the remains of the catholic day in the form of some lawyer representing an offshore trust, trying to extract more money to put in that very greasy till by the Tiber on top of the money they already gained from the people of Ireland under false pretences.

A number of religious orders have been given a number of opportunities to pay their redress bills. I'd start with them.

New locks on the doors at midnight. End of problem.
Then once we seize their property we can move onto the jews, then Muslims, then...

Eh, actually maybe not such a good idea dude!
 

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The Catholic Church has a right to control the schools which it owns - all of them - and to continue owing all of them. Solving the educational problems of heretics is not the responsibility of the Catholic Church. [Solving the stadium problems of soccer and rugby is not the responsibility of the GAA.]

The dear defenceless little children of Catholics have a right to go to school without their having to run the gauntlet of sectarian harassment or sectarian discrimination. That right can most easily be safe-guarded by their attending schools controlled by Catholics in which ALL the teachers are practising Catholics and in which ALL the pupils/students are the children of practising Catholics.

I think that the Catholic Church has made a big mistake in allowing any of its schools to be used for anti-Catholic purposes. If a Catholic school is no longer viable as a Catholic school, close it down rather than let it be used by anti-Catholics. Unfortunately, the Catholics of Eire seem to be wallowing in non-sectarianism.
 
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The catholic church is a passing landlord. And one that didn't put a penny into the ownership of the bricks and mortar of these school buildings.

They were paid for by money collected from Irish people by that organisation.
They were paid for by Irish Catholics. Many of the Protestant schools were also paid for by Irish Catholics - who were compelled to pay for them via the tithe system.
 
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