Cause of 1 in 3 asylum seeker deaths unknown

ger12

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Vinnie drawing attention to this on his last show.

Seems the Irish Catholic sought info under the Freedom of Information Act which shows 44 asylum seekers died while residents of controversial State-run direct provision centres over a ten-year period.

Stephen Ng’ang’a, an advocate for the rights of asylum seekers, said the poor record keeping “goes to show how careless the State is in terms of dealing with refugees and asylum seekers and their human dignity – whether they died of any cause – has been undermined. If they are treated as numbers or as non-entities or non-nationals or whatever stereotype associated with asylum seekers, I think it is despicable,”.
http://irishcatholic.ie/article/asylum-deaths-care-‘living-injustice’-–-priest

Pretty depressing for the Ireland of 2017.
 


ruserious

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Non-national is a stereotype of asylum seekers? Ehm....?
 

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Vinnie drawing attention to this on his last show.

Seems the Irish Catholic sought info under the Freedom of Information Act which shows 44 asylum seekers died while residents of controversial State-run direct provision centres over a ten-year period.

Stephen Ng’ang’a, an advocate for the rights of asylum seekers, said the poor record keeping “goes to show how careless the State is in terms of dealing with refugees and asylum seekers and their human dignity – whether they died of any cause – has been undermined. If they are treated as numbers or as non-entities or non-nationals or whatever stereotype associated with asylum seekers, I think it is despicable,”.
http://irishcatholic.ie/article/asylum-deaths-care-‘living-injustice’-–-priest

Pretty depressing for the Ireland of 2017.
almost as depressing as all the single mothers and kids that died at the Madgalene laundry and places like Tuam.
 

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The Irish Catholic groups want more immigration from third world countries to replenish the deserting flock here. A large number of Africans have ultra conservative religious views . I was taken aback at the amount of Africans at a recently held anti abortion march.

With so many Africans having ultra Christian views and a rising amount of Islamic immigration, it's only a matter of time before women's and gays rights come under attack.
 

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They arnt forced to stay there they can always choose to leave and head back to where they came from they're not being held against their will, unlike those young women who suffered in the madgalane laundries, so to try to equate this situation to what happened in the past in the laundries, is disgraceful and wrong.
 

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They arnt forced to stay there they can always choose to leave and head back to where they came from they're not being held against their will, unlike those young women who suffered in the madgalane laundries, so to try to equate this situation to what happened in the past in the laundries, is disgraceful and wrong.
Do you know what an asylum seeker is?
 

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So when you said that they can always choose to return to experience persecution and war....
They would have had to pass through several countries to get here, i fail to see how they would be genuine asylum seekers.
 

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They would have had to pass through several countries to get here, i fail to see how they would be genuine asylum seekers.
As you said yourself, an asylum seeker is someone fleeing persecution or war. Whether you are fleeing persecution or war is not determined by which country you end up in afterwards.
 

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As you said yourself, an asylum seeker is someone fleeing persecution or war. Whether you are fleeing persecution or war is not determined by which country you end up in afterwards.
So you think you can just pick and choose what country you want to claim asylum in, that's not how it works Merc but i expect you already know that.
 
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Do you know what an asylum seeker is?
Do you know what asylum shopping is? It's a form of welfare tourism, where the hosting state will inevitably be overwhelmed by an increasing welfare bill and lack of accommodation, hence the reason why the Sweden Democrats have been killing it in the opinion polls for the last two years.

There's no need for asylum seekers to travel all the way to Ireland, they can find refuge in a neighbouring country and be perfectly safe there, with the added benefit of not having to worry about our sisters/daughters being raped by sexually aggressive 3rd world men.
 

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The right to privacy is being protected by the state. This seems like an underhanded attempt to paint direct provision as dangerous and blame the state for the death of individuals without any evidence. Surely family members can access the relevant information and if there was any impropriety they could take a case against the state. They certainly don’t lack for free legal aid.
What relevant information ? Have autopsies been performed ? Has there been a coroners report ? What family members - in many cases ?
 

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This thread will be a car crash
It's going to be much worse than that.

The Irish state has an appalling record of protecting those nominally in their care, from borstals to direct provision. Nothing that happens should be a surprise.
 

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An asylum seeker is someone who claims to be fleeing war and political persecution. In Ireland, over 90% of asylum claims are deemed bogus.
And does that make these unexplained deaths any less of a problem?
 

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There were death certs issued, the newspaper asked the wrong department to look at them and RTE needed to fill program space, waste of space.
 


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