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Ceann Comhairle miusing his position? warning members not to annoy China regarding Taiwan

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Ceann Comhairle misusing his position? warning members not to annoy China regarding Taiwan

Ceann Comhairle Warns Politicians About Trips To Taiwan John McGuinness, F.F. TD Carlow-Kilkenny
via RTÉ - Today with Sean O'Rourke https://ift.tt/2qaU6jh John McGuinness has said he overstepped the mark and that the Irish Taiwan Parliamentary Friendship group adheres to the one China policy.

TDs are warned contact with Taiwan ‘will offend China’
The Ceann Comhairle of the Dáil, Seán Ó Fearghaíl, has warned TDs and Senators that contacts with Taiwan will offend the Chinese government, and could damage Ireland’s business and diplomatic relationship with China
the letter via the IT is below

now its fair for somebody to state government policy but is the Ceann Comhairle Sean O'Fearghail thinking of his constituency where lots of Chinese tourists visit the Kildare Village and Newbridge Silverware Visitor Centre hosts VIP guests | Kildare Now and there is a few food research labs relating to milk formula etc An Taoiseach officially opens €100m Kerry Group centre - Agriland.ie DAFM - Laboratory Services

the Ceann Comhairle is chair of the procedures committee which oversees the conduct of members, is he suggesting their are breaching it ? https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/committee/dail/32/committee_on_members_interests_dail_eireann/other/2012/2012-05-30_code-of-conduct-for-members-of-dail-eireann-non-officeholders_en.pdf
Dear Deputy/Senator,
In recent years, the Dáil and Seanad have seen a strengthening of links at economic, trade, education, cultural and parliamentary level with China, which is to be warmly welcomed. The Oireachtas has worked to develop parliamentary links between Ireland and China, welcoming a number of very high-level delegations to Ireland. I led an Oireachtas delegation to China earlier this year, during which we saw the further huge potential for greater trade links between Ireland and China, to Ireland’s considerable advantage. Cultural links are strong and record numbers of Chinese students are choosing to further their studies in Irish universities and colleges. Direct flights open up China as a tourist destination and allow for stronger person to person engagement, all of which is to be supported.
As chair of the Houses of the Oireachtas Commission and of the Dáil Business Committee, I write to respectfully remind members of the current position with regard to Taiwan. This issue is a very important one for our Chinese friends and I would remind members that Ireland, along with all other EU states, as well as the EU itself, adheres to the One China policy. As a result, Ireland does not have diplomatic relations with Taiwan. Furthermore, Taiwan is not a Member State of the United Nations or any of its subsidiary bodies. Ireland does, however, engage with Taiwan on an economic and cultural basis.
Ireland’s adherence to the One China policy, in place since 1971, has been a crucial component in the successful development of trade between Ireland and China. Total trade with China in 2016 was worth €12.90bn. This is an increase of 14% compared to 2015, and Ireland enjoys a trade surplus of €4.56bn with China (2016 figure). I am always particularly struck by the fact that, as an example, the small island of Ireland is the largest exporter of baby milk formula to China. These are important statistics and show the level of economic engagement between Ireland and China, which continues to grow year on year, to Ireland’s great benefit. In short, the growth and expansion of trade with China has been hugely beneficial to Ireland, its economy and its people, and is one of our finest success stories in recent times. That economic expansion should be nurtured, and not even inadvertently undermined.
Active engagement between members of the Oireachtas and Taiwan can damage the relations between Ireland and China and is in conflict to the long-standing One China policy. As Ceann Comhairle, I have no intention of telling Oireachtas members who they, as elected public representatives, can meet or what functions they can attend. That would never be my wish. However, I am aware that there continues to be engagement between some Oireachtas members and the Taiwanese authorities. This can cause serious offence and grave concern to our Chinese friends and has the potential to cause serious damage to Ireland’s developing relationship with China as well as being a danger to Ireland’s national interest. I write to members merely to remind them of the One China policy long in place, and to highlight the implications that a parliamentary engagement with the Taiwanese authorities can have on the excellent relations currently enjoyed by Ireland with China.
If you wish to discuss this further with me, my door is always open to members.
I have tried before to look at Oireachtas All / Cross Party 'Friends of' Groups but there are so many and they are not that visible

[video=youtube;cuEnDxe9oAs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuEnDxe9oAs[/video] see McGuinness, Buttimer Farrell meet the Taipei Mayor. https://english.president.gov.tw/NEWS/4565 Mary Mitchell O'Connor, and Tom Barry were also on the trip.



Who pays for this all?
 
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"As Ceann Comhairle, I have no intention of telling Oireachtas members who they, as elected public representatives, can meet or what functions they can attend. That would never be my wish. However, I am aware that there continues to be engagement between some Oireachtas members and the Taiwanese authorities. This can cause serious offence and grave concern to our Chinese friends and has the potential to cause serious damage to Ireland’s developing relationship with China as well as being a danger to Ireland’s national interest. I write to members merely to remind them of the One China policy long in place, and to highlight the implications that a parliamentary engagement with the Taiwanese authorities can have on the excellent relations currently enjoyed by Ireland with China."

Ceann Comhairle is ultimately responsible for reminding TDs of implications of their actions.

I see nothing where he is abusing that position.
 

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"As Ceann Comhairle, I have no intention of telling Oireachtas members who they, as elected public representatives, can meet or what functions they can attend. That would never be my wish. However, I am aware that there continues to be engagement between some Oireachtas members and the Taiwanese authorities. This can cause serious offence and grave concern to our Chinese friends and has the potential to cause serious damage to Ireland’s developing relationship with China as well as being a danger to Ireland’s national interest. I write to members merely to remind them of the One China policy long in place, and to highlight the implications that a parliamentary engagement with the Taiwanese authorities can have on the excellent relations currently enjoyed by Ireland with China."

Ceann Comhairle is ultimately responsible for reminding TDs of implications of their actions.

I see nothing where he is abusing that position.
do TDs have to follow government policy? (even thought they say they are)
 

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Isn't this a matter of foreign policy. Why is the Ceann Comhairle involved at all?
 

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No

However he is Leader of the House and therefore as a Non Party Political person is the person who should write to TD's making them aware their actions may have on the country.
on behalf of the government?
 

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On behalf of the Country.

He is NOT a Government person.
I didn't suggest he was but why is he pushing government policy?

and he is not doing this on behalf of his constituency?
 
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I didn't suggest he was but why is he pushing government policy?

and he is not doing this on behalf of his constituency?
He is NOT pushing Govt policy.

He is reminding TDs of how their actions may impact on the country and being open in stating it.
No doubt he has been approached in relation to this, either by Government or Chinese Embassy via DFF.

Sending a letter reminds people of their responsibilities PLUS more IMPORTANTLY it shows Govt of China
that we have addressed concerns they may have had. Plus we highlighting that each TD is
free to do as they wish.

CC constituency are the people of Ireland and believe he is doing the correct thing.

Doing nothing may end up embarassing Ireland and China. This could result in a Formal
diplomatic protest which would embarass both parties.

In 2017 we exported $4.93 Billion and imported $4.97 Billion in goods and services.
Eight biggest Export market.................. why lose jobs when not needed as we are less than 1/2 of 1 % of their imports and they can buy elsewhere.
 
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yes he is.
Nope.

He is reminding TDs of their responsibilities.

Unless you believe they can do and say as they please around the world, without anybody saying anything to them in term of advice and then come on here and bitch "Well they don't represent Ireland".
 

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I think he lost the run of himself when he and the other fookwits went to ''rescue'' the Halawa muppet.
 

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Ceann Comhairle is ultimately responsible for reminding TDs of implications of their actions.

I see nothing where he is abusing that position.
That's not his role at all. His role is to manage sittings, call speakers, suppress disorder and maintain the rules of the house.

It's not to tell TDs which country/religion/policy/trade partner to favour in discussions. It's not to point out the downside of any proposed legislation or government action. Has he done this before? The budget gets submitted and the CC says "Well you know without putting an extra billion into health it'll have some real impact on the waiting lines. And where's the steps to help the homeless?" Of course not. Because it's not his job.

If the TDs want to favour Taiwan over China, China over Taiwan, Israel over Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia over Israel: That's not something he should be commenting on.
 

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That's not his role at all. His role is to manage sittings, call speakers, suppress disorder and maintain the rules of the house.

It's not to tell TDs which country/religion/policy/trade partner to favour in discussions. It's not to point out the downside of any proposed legislation or government action. Has he done this before? The budget gets submitted and the CC says "Well you know without putting an extra billion into health it'll have some real impact on the waiting lines. And where's the steps to help the homeless?" Of course not. Because it's not his job.

If the TDs want to favour Taiwan over China, China over Taiwan, Israel over Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia over Israel: That's not something he should be commenting on.
If it were government policy, surely all he would have to do is have a quiet snifter in Buswell's with the whips and press them to keep their members in order.
 

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