CETA threat approaching.

Karloff

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The EU corporate lobbyist driven war on democracy is continuing even as previous ECB head Barroso settles into his new Goldman Sachs position having driven the EU down that path during his tenure.

The CETA so called trade agreement with hidden assault points against democracy included is to be decided on on the 18th October and if it fails there will be a new one and a new one. The corporations only have to be lucky once and then it's binning time for our democratic rights as European citizens. The most (arguably) civilised and progressive part of this world is under attack right now (it is natural it would be since this is where corporations can make most money if they can obliterate social welfare, environmental welfare and democratic standards) and is what we need to be thinking about and not the Yank circus which draws so much attention here.

Hope to block it has shown up in Wallonia in Belgium. The EU have blankly said that parts of it will be implemented before EU members even sign it.
 


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https://www.euractiv.com/section/trade-society/news/eu-canada-free-trade-deal-opens-door-to-environmental-lawsuits/

The CETA investment chapter proposes a definition of ‘fair and equitable treatment’ (FET) for investors which has sparked multi-million dollar lawsuits, such as one by Lone Pine challenging a shale drilling ban by the Canadian state of Quebec.

EU officials have reportedly not challenged the authenticity of the leaked document, which was published online by the Trade Justice Network, although they were unavailable for comment on the issue.

Pia Eberhardt, a spokeswoman for the Corporate Europe Observatory campaign group, told EurActiv that, as it stands, the text would “open the door to a flood of environmental and health lawsuits”.

“Canadian investors will be able to use the excessive corporate rights in CETA to sue European governments for millions of Euros in compensation for legislation to protect the public interest,” she said. “And US companies with a subsidiary in Canada will be able to do the same.”
This is not a 'trade' deal unless by trade they mean eroding laws that protect citizens from greed.

Fabian Flues, trade campaigner at Friends of the Earth Europe said: "The investment provisions in CETA grant unjustified privileges to foreign investors, threatening policy-making in the public interest. Investment protections has been used in the past to undermine environmental regulations and biased, unaccountable tribunals have cost European tax payers billions already. The investment chapter in CETA would massively expand these investor privileges and is reason alone to reject the agreement."

Liina Carr, confederal secretary of the European Trade Union Confederation said: "Under CETA, workers are second class citizens compared to investors. Labour and environmental protection is not enforceable under CETA, whereas investors are given a special legal procedure to enforce their rights. CETA will do nothing to promote quality jobs and decent pay, while presenting a threat to the delivery of high-quality public services."
It's astonishing that after centuries of runaway growth and pollution instead of turning the corner at this stage in the 21st Century, the race to the bottom is only getting warmed up. I rather hoped that we would be heading in the opposite direction but there is no challenge anywhere to the ascendant power and authority of the corporation - never mind a group of corporations working together.

So the way globalisation has worked out we must go to the corporation with it's narrow focus on short term greed and beg them not to destroy us any further, because the way things are going the power to do squat is being removed from our so called political representatives.

These entities (the corporation) are like human psychopaths in their indifferent, calculating narrow focus on self interest. This seems to be what we are enthroning around the world, how the hell did this happen? Putting these corporate entities in charge of our nations is like putting Ted Bundy in charge of a women's domestic abuse refuge.
 

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It is only since 1945 that capitalism has had a social democratic & social welfare face and that was because of the presence of the soviet union. The idea that 'capitalism has given more wealth and higher stadards of living' is only a modern argument and one used in the wake of the european welfare reforms after the war. That is now being dismantled and capitalism is proceeding on its usual course, as before, but with the difference that gobalisation is going to make colonial subjects of us all in a contrived global competition between pools of labour. The IMF in Europe is a sign. Degrading water quality and access to water across the US is a sign.

Apparently the Luddites are badly abused by the popular view of them which sees them as backward. They were fighting for the use of machinery in small cottage industries rather than its monopoly by big industry using the Enclosures to populate their factories with desperate and hungry workers. They were enlightened but condemned as being unenlightened. By you know who, who have such control of the narrative and historical memory that their misrepresentations are hegemonic. That's according to an impression I have formed about the Luddites over the years on scant reading, I must find out the facts.
 

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Wallonia voted it down preventing Belgium from ratifying.
The German constitutional Court has also accepted to review it and has limited it in significant ways so far.

Capitalisms agenda of globalization is being stopped by people power at the ballots and the threat of political insurgency.
 

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Wallonia voted it down preventing Belgium from ratifying.
The German constitutional Court has also accepted to review it and has limited it in significant ways so far.

Capitalisms agenda of globalization is being stopped by people power at the ballots and the threat of political insurgency.
I think what you will find is that the powers that be are deliberately engendering the right-wing across Europe in order to preempt the rise of left-wing opposition and they will choose war as a means of 'solving' their problems and disciplining the people.
 

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The loony left and paranoid alt right hate globalisation ...and whip up conspiracy theory foment against it...as in the OP

cyp
 

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I don't know what's exactly involved in CETA, but my opinion is that whatever is done towards improving a free trade with the world is good.
 

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I don't know what's exactly involved in CETA, but my opinion is that whatever is done towards improving a free trade with the world is good.
None of the rest of them above know either - knee-jerk guff from every one of them. That said, you are right - protectionism is about as far from equality as you can get.
 

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Wallonia voted it down preventing Belgium from ratifying.
The German constitutional Court has also accepted to review it and has limited it in significant ways so far.

Capitalisms agenda of globalization is being stopped by people power at the ballots and the threat of political insurgency.
as it should be
 

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The way the issue is being reported you would think there was no free trade between Canada and the EU. But both are members of the Free Trade Organisation.

The Question of CETA is a question of who the EU leaders represent, do they represent Europeans or do they represent the multinationals whose lobbyists lay constant siege to EU political affairs and who buy off officials when still in power (payment comes when they leave office having served the multinationals cause), Juncker is saying he expects that the Walloons will be bought out over the next few days. Let's hope he is wrong.

EU's Juncker expects CETA solution in "next few days" - Xinhua | English.news.cn

For all our sakes the race to the bottom must be impeded. The Walloons are concerned about losing jobs and environmental damage, those are very real threats if the EU becomes like North America in it's attitude to regulation of industry, pollution, food safety, animal welfare and democracy itself.
 

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Every small to medium sized farmer in Ireland should be thanking a Belgian for this stand against CETA.

CETA and TTIP are set up to destroy small to medium sized businesses. Most small businesses will be destroyed by CETA-TTIP. CETA-TTIP will make it extremely hard to start a small business.

As for a secret court. Whoever came up with that should be subjected to secret court to educate them.

Secret courts have a history. Stalin had secret courts. Mao had secret courts. The Gestapo had secret courts. The IRA had secret courts. The Inquisition had secret courts. Now some lunatics think we should agree to secret courts in North American and all of Europe.
 

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The way the issue is being reported you would think there was no free trade between Canada and the EU. But both are members of the Free Trade Organisation.

The Question of CETA is a question of who the EU leaders represent, do they represent Europeans or do they represent the multinationals whose lobbyists lay constant siege to EU political affairs and who buy off officials when still in power (payment comes when they leave office having served the multinationals cause), Juncker is saying he expects that the Walloons will be bought out over the next few days. Let's hope he is wrong.

EU's Juncker expects CETA solution in "next few days" - Xinhua | English.news.cn

For all our sakes the race to the bottom must be impeded. The Walloons are concerned about losing jobs and environmental damage, those are very real threats if the EU becomes like North America in it's attitude to regulation of industry, pollution, food safety, animal welfare and democracy itself.
Discussing this on Vincent Browne now.
 

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Discussing this on Vincent Browne now.
Your chosen nickname is unfortunately very prescient.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/oct/27/belgium-reaches-deal-with-wallonia-over-eu-canada-trade-agreement

EU leaders hope deal will be signed as Belgian PM says leaders of five regional parliaments have reached an agreement
I guess we will see now (when it is too late to stop or reverse it when it is in execution) if the naysayers were right about this agreement. Me i think Europe as we knew it could be gone this century to become like the worst nightmare of neoliberal capitalism with no democracy, limited rights for human beings and none at all for the environment. This is practically inevitable if we allow politicians to interface with psychopathic corporate entities without any input from ourselves. Lobbying is actually corruption.

If you look at America which has been using this kind of system longer than the EU and which is more advanced in terms of decay - there is no real democracy left. Both parties are extremely corrupt placeholders for whatever Wall Street and billionaires want, that means not investing in US infrastructure, sending profits and jobs abroad, endless public spending for war, prison industry, fracking and on and on.
 

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The thing about this is that we Joe Public seem to be concerned that our govts might want to do something to protect us (eg ban a chemical or protect a green space) and then this Treaty be invoked by a corporation to block the actions of our govt. But it is our Govts who want this treaty and to have their hands bound in the first place - ie they would probably give anything away that these corporations wanted today anyway.

The significance of the Treaty is that it binds the govt's hands and that is what they want, it restricts them from being pressured by the public to act in the public's interests - it relieves them of the very democratic duty that we entrust in them. Our problem is with both these layers, govts that don't want to have to act in our best interests (consider NAMA and the Northern Ireland portfolio scandal and Noonan as an example) and corporations that basically want to have their way with whatever they want - and the closeness of the two (which is sometimes called 'technocracy' or passed off as practicality or efficiency by a media that the corporations own....) cutting us out of the debate.

At what point is representative democracy going to completely phase out all consultation with Joe Public? It seems to be heading that way.
 


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