Cheap bootleg cigarettes taking over the market

Cael

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Seems to me that this is a fudge would allow you to continue engaging in a practice that affects other workers quality of life in a real and direct way.
It seems to me that its not a fudge at all. If a Workers Soviet running a pub decided that it wanted to allow smoking in the pub, then I will be happy to avail of their decision.
 

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There's a man in a van who knocks around our area every Thursday selling cheap smokes. 4 euro a pack of twenty and he has all the leading brands. I tell him every week no one in our house smokes but that does'nt stop him coming back every week. All those smokes must be killing his brain cells.:D
 

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Of course they are taking over the market. We have the highest priced cigarettes in the world and the reason for that is taxation.

Yep, low tax economy.
 
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Seems to me that this is a fudge would allow you to continue engaging in a practice that affects other workers quality of life in a real and direct way.
When I worked in pubs and clubs it was the dry ice machine which used to wreck my throat.

Fag smoke was unpleasent and my clothes stank every morning but there were better ways to handle it than banning it. Smoking rooms / ventilated smoking areas would have been better as it is a reasonable compromise between workers welfare and the function of a pub.
 

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When I worked in pubs and clubs it was the dry ice machine which used to wreck my throat.

Fag smoke was unpleasent and my clothes stank every morning but there were better ways to handle it than banning it. Smoking rooms / ventilated smoking areas would have been better as it is a reasonable compromise between workers welfare and the function of a pub.

And have publicans moaning about how much it would cost to put in the proper ventilation. They've enough to moan about without adding to their list.
 
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And have publicans moaning about how much it would cost to put in the proper ventilation. They've enough to moan about without adding to their list.
Their moaning is hardly my concern. They do not HAVE to install a vent system.

If there is demand for pubs which allow smoking indoors and if they are satisfied that the system will pay for itself then then publicans should be allowed.
 

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There's a man in a van who knocks around our area every Thursday selling cheap smokes. 4 euro a pack of twenty and he has all the leading brands. I tell him every week no one in our house smokes but that does'nt stop him coming back every week. All those smokes must be killing his brain cells.:D
4 euro a pack! Everyone around here is getting ripped off so - 5 euro a pack is the going rate!
 

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Their moaning is hardly my concern. They do not HAVE to install a vent system.

If there is demand for pubs which allow smoking indoors and if they are satisfied that the system will pay for itself then then publicans should be allowed.
Amen to that brother.

It's about choice. If there are 10 pubs and 4 allow smoking and 6 don't then the public have choice. Non-smoking bar staff can work in the no-smoking pubs and smoking bar staff can work in the smokers pubs.
Things will even out - if there is more demand for smoking pubs then more pubs will allow smoking.

I won't buy illegal ciggies (or fuel) though - the (invisible) cost is too high.
Funding terrorists and other scumbags is not a good idea.
 
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Anyway, getting away from the pubs issue I reckon that the government has to grow up on the cigarette issue.

Either they should it down at EU level and get a consensus on cigarette taxes at EU level or they should reduce the taxes on cigarettes.

It doesn't effect me either way, however I'm a firm believer that gangs should not be state subsidised and high taxes on cigarettes (in the current EU setting) are just providing scum with easy money.
 
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I won't buy illegal ciggies (or fuel) though - the (invisible) cost is too high.
Funding terrorists and other scumbags is not a good idea.
One thing on this - few people, if anybody, when they are buying these cigarettes actually considers that aspect of it. They just think they are buying off the sound lad who comes to their door without realising that there are often vicious gangs behind him.
 

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I won't buy illegal ciggies (or fuel) though - the (invisible) cost is too high.
Funding terrorists and other scumbags is not a good idea.
Yeah..buy your smokes legally and fund quangos and expense claims instead :D
 

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One thing on this - few people, if anybody, when they are buying these cigarettes actually considers that aspect of it. They just think they are buying off the sound lad who comes to their door without realising that there are often vicious gangs behind him.
That is true but, for example, a lot of the cigarettes available are coming from people who now work in Ireland and buy and sell them to fund their trips back home for a visit.

They bring back the full allowance of cigarettes (16 cartons) and sell them to friends/workmates for 50 euros each. They make over €300 profit and that more than pays for the trip.
 

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One thing on this - few people, if anybody, when they are buying these cigarettes actually considers that aspect of it. They just think they are buying off the sound lad who comes to their door without realising that there are often vicious gangs behind him.
They do realise that they just don't care. Give it to the gangs or the government to bail out their buddies in the bank. Simple choice for most. Oh and most people selling cigs are going to mainland europe in a van and bringing them back their self. The fella round my way goes to Andorra once a month and buy's a pack of twenty for 2 euro selling them here for 4 euro. He ain't in a gang he's just a chancer.
 

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That is true but, for example, a lot of the cigarettes available are coming from people who now work in Ireland and buy and sell them to fund their trips back home for a visit.

They bring back the full allowance of cigarettes (16 cartons) and sell them to friends/workmates for 50 euros each. They make over €300 profit and that more than pays for the trip.
Irish smokers should go to europe every few months and get cheap cigs. They save a load and get a day trip to europe for free.
 
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They bring back the full allowance of cigarettes (16 cartons) and sell them to friends/workmates for 50 euros each. They make over €300 profit and that more than pays for the trip.
I thought that max allowance was done away with, no?

(Just have it in the back of my head that there was an EU ruling which went against it but not sure)
 

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Never knew that, you learn something everyday.

Shops are selling the dodgy ones too. I've seen a friend complain about filters constantly falling off and burning down one side in cigarettes purchased from a local outlet.
In Ballyjamesduff, several pubs and shops are selling the dodgy ones. An off licence is also doing it, and another 2 shops which dont even sell legit cigarettes "specialise" in illegal / counterfeit ones.

Its an open secret, and the Gardai in town turn a bling eye to it because the Gardai are part of the golden circle with publicans and business people who slap backs, turn a blind eye to illegal activity, non tax of cars, businessmens sons driving flasy cars with no insurance, Gardas daughter getting off with violent assault etc etc.

I could post up now 6 outlets in Ballyjamesduff selling illegal cigarettes, in significant quantities - but if it was reported to the authorities, nothing, absolutely NOTHING would happen. Guaranteed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Banana Republic. 429 dangerous criminals on the run, and Gardai continue to police targetting soft targets and protecting their own "friends" regardless of illegal activity.
 

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This is just the start. Grain prices are set to increase as is cocoa etc. Can't wait for the black market in Shreddies and Weetabix.

Everyone, we are fast approaching Soylent Green. Save the Strawberry Jam, it may be worth more than gold sooner than you think.
 

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I thought that max allowance was done away with, no?

(Just have it in the back of my head that there was an EU ruling which went against it but not sure)
I'm not sure if there was a subsequent EU ruling but I just checked this website which gives the allowances for 2010. I assume the same rules apply for Ireland:

"The current (2010) duty and tax free allowances when travelling from another EU country to the UK are:

* 3200 cigarettes
* 400 cigarillos
* 200 cigars
* 3 kg of smoking tobacco
* 110 litres of beer
* 10 litres of spirits
* 90 litres of wine
* 20 litres of fortified wine e.g. port or sherry."
EU Duty Free Allowances | UK Duty Free Allowance
 


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