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Child protection expert suggests Bishop should be prosecuted?


tmesis2008

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We can no longer tolerate the clergy's intransigence - Analysis - Independent.ie

Am I reading too much into the article, or is he suggesting Magee should be prosecuted under legislation on criminal negligence.
I think you're reading a little too much into it. I think that his call for prosecution of bishops who know that abuse is being committed and do not act to stop it is a little bit more general, and isn't a direct call for prosecution of Magee.

He does, obviously, have a strong opinion that Magee should resign, but his resignation is being discussed on the other thread(s) on this subject.

So, I don't think we need another thread on this subject, unless you want to discuss his other suggestion: that the Catholic Church be removed by the government from all direct or indirect dealings with children in the education system, and possibly then this thread should be in the "education" forum.
 
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S/He is calling for enactment of recommendations arising from Ferns. unclear , therefore, if this means legislative changes.. Given the current Oireachtas Comms and the fcked up approach to consent/protection evinced in the Sex Offences legislation 2006 - 2007.
 
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It's a call to end the situation where bishops are above the law of the land.

Charges should be brought to bear against those who choose not to help children at risk.
If the poor box was rifled in a church the Gardai would be called in,
if vandalism occurred in and around a church the Gardai would be called,
if a member of the clergy was abusing a child the offender would be told to give little information to the Gardai.
 

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No prosecution should be prejudiced of any individual by inappropriate comment

Clearly if any person can be shown to have concealed evidence and become a accomplice after the fact then the DPP should look at the matter closely
 

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Clearly if any person can be shown to have concealed evidence and become a accomplice after the fact then the DPP should look at the matter closely
Why waste your time rummaging for evidence in order to prosecute Bishops, when it's the banks and the quangos where you should be directing your attention?
 

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Why waste your time rummaging for evidence in order to prosecute Bishops, when it's the banks and the quangos where you should be directing your attention?
I don't think the banks and quangos stand accused of protecting priestly child buggerers!

That's the most ridiculous, specious argument you have made to date.
 

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I don't think the banks and quangos stand accused of protecting priestly child buggerers!

That's the most ridiculous, specious argument you have made to date.
Yet another moronic comment from an ignorant imbiscile.

I wonder should we fleece society as a whole for all the child buggery that has gone on? After all, YOU are a part of society and I believe you should have your assets stripped and given over to the victims so they can buy Ferrari's and yachts.

If you want to find out where the real child buggery goes on in this country, try the Free Mason's lodge on Molesworth Street for a bit of Madeline McCann style child rape.
 

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Yet another moronic comment from an ignorant imbiscile.

I wonder should we fleece society as a whole for all the child buggery that has gone on? After all, YOU are a part of society and I believe you should have your assets stripped and given over to the victims so they can buy Ferrari's and yachts.

If you want to find out where the real child buggery goes on in this country, try the Free Mason's lodge on Molesworth Street for a bit of Madeline McCann style child rape.
You show yourself up for what you are more and more each day.
 

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Or An Garda Síochána? who failed to act properly in Ferns too although this is always overlooked.

Sunday Business Post | Irish Business News An Garda Síochána?
Bring it on. I'd love nothing more than the Bishops sending out their team lawyers to deal with the anti-Catholic drivel once and for all.

To claim that any of the Bishops in Ireland are personally responsible for the physical and sexual abuse of children in this country is laughable. Every single one of them has impeccable character and has been chosen by God Himself. But if you keep saying it long enough, all your handcuffed bishop fantasies might one day come true (maybe after you've finished a good slap on the latest virtual porn site)...

The sooner the schools are sold off and the best ones privatised, the better AFAIC. Thankless goons the lot of yiz.
 

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Bring it on. I'd love nothing more than the Bishops sending out their team lawyers to deal with the anti-Catholic drivel once and for all.

To claim that any of the Bishops in Ireland are personally responsible for the physical and sexual abuse of children in this country is laughable. Every single one of them has impeccable character and has been chosen by God Himself. But if you keep saying it long enough, all your handcuffed bishop fantasies might one day come true (maybe after you've finished a good slap on the latest virtual porn site)...

The sooner the schools are sold off and the best ones privatised, the better AFAIC. Thankless goons the lot of yiz.
They are chosen, as is obvious, by the Pope. He is the only one whose election is supposedly inspired by the holy spirit. Nor is the Popes choice of Bishops infallible nor does he claim it. Bishops are supposed to be in apostolic succession, not chosen by God.

All Irish bishops have impeccable characters have they? Your just being sycophantic now. You sound very silly.
 

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l do not imagine that Factorem's comments are anything but an intentional and obvious shove against the thread, to apply such vitriol to victims of abuse is beneath contempt and undermining of those catholics whom are working with the groups on the issues.


sickening use of language btw.
 
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l do not imagine that factorem's comments are anything but an intentional and obvious shove against the thread, to apply such vitriol to victims of abuse is beneath contempt and undermining of those catholics whom are working with the groups on the issues. sickening use of language btw.
I agree with your comments there and also Corelli's comments as well. It's sickening to read Factorem's comments.

I have seen my close friends suffering from abuse namely Post traumatic stress disorders, unable to develop relationships with women or men depending on their circumstences,addictions so on. Their psychological make up has suffered traumatically- hugely as a result of the abuses as it takes years to recover from that.

That's why Factorme's comments is sickening to the extreme. If he has a child of his own then his attitudes towards the so called bishops may or may not change.
 

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GUYS: if the Bishops' never-ending work to look after the community bothers you so much, I suggest you get together and fund a class action suit against every single one of them.

To say that the Bishops don't have the best interests of abuse victims at heart is a farce. Foaming at the mouth and seeking the forcible downfall of good and holy men is disgusting.

Morons.
 

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GUYS: if the Bishops' never-ending work to look after the community bothers you so much, I suggest you get together and fund a class action suit against every single one of them.

To say that the Bishops don't have the best interests of abuse victims at heart is a farce. Foaming at the mouth and seeking the forcible downfall of good and holy men is disgusting.

Morons.
You should be ashamed of yourself, truly ashamed.
 

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You should be ashamed of yourself, truly ashamed.
Why? .....

You're the one who should be ashamed of himself -- an armchair Israeli supporter. By implication you're a man who condones the blowing off of chlidrens' limbs.
 

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the issues involved for survivors require a comprehensive response and not an attempt at obfuscation, especially abusive vacuity. hi disabled student btw..
I agree.

Those foaming at the mouth calling for the jailing of Bishops need to calm down.

If they're so Joe-Duffy-style outraged, they should put up or shut up and go to court. The full thrust of the clergy is behind a full and complete investigation. To disseminate mis-information that the Bishops are being disingenuous is nothing short of a farce. This talk of Catholic assets being sold off is nothing short of begrudgery.

No amount of money can undo the damage of those individuals who laid their hands on innocent children.
 

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