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Children and Technology

blokesbloke

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Mods, apologies if this is in the wrong forum but it mentioned social affairs, family and children so it seems the most appropriate.

I was just talking on this thread http://www.politics.ie/forum/health-social-affairs/249734-winter-vitamin-d-supplements-all-recommended-today-7.html

and of course in true P.ie fashion a debate about Vitamin D supplements went off into a debate about parents not letting their kids outside for fear of paedophiles and keeping them in the house on Facebook.

I was just saying on that forum that the internet and mobile phones terrifies me when it comes to children, because I was badly bullied at school and I can't imagine what it must be like for kids now.

At least when I got home I felt safe - I had an awful time at school and sometimes on the way home, but I was OK at home.

If I'd gone to school now even if I chose not to have a Facebook profile a fake one would have probably been set up in my name, and the bullying could have come at me via text, messenger, Facebook - 24 hours a day, with home no longer being a refuge.

I see kids with £600 iPhones and Facebook accounts even though they're not supposed to have one til they're 13 - their parents approve so obviously happily tell their kids to lie about their age to get a Facebook account.

Yet same parents seem to moan a lot about cyber-bullying and grooming, yet also seem unwilling to accept that Facebook isn't vital in keeping their child alive.

I know I sound like an old fogey and a Luddite, but I'm not against kids using technology. I had a computer and video games and stuff as a kid and I know similar concerns were raised about violent games etc. - but those were closed systems. You just played games on them, that was it. You couldn't chat to others, be bullied or contacted by paedophiles.

The technology was also limited so whilst games could be violent they were so unrealistic they were cartoonish. Modern games like Grand Theft Auto seem horribly realistic and seem to encourage kids to see breaking the law and hurting people as a good thing, as well as using prostitutes, stealing, kiling etc.

You couldn't watch porn or see realistic violence on a ZX Spectrum or Commodore 64!

How do parents on P.ie cope? I don't have kids and I don't want them - I think parenting is an awesome responsibility I simply couldn't manage.

Do your children have Facebook accounts? Do you let them have them even if they're not 13 yet?

Do you control their access to the internet? Are they allowed a smartphone?

How do you manage parenting in the technological age?
 
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ShoutingIsLeadership

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At least you didn't refer to them as "kids", in the thread title....the excessive use of that term, really grinds my gears.

To your point: I have given up trying to monitor me teenager's internet usage...instead, we try to tool him with as much cop-on as is possible.
 

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My older kids didn't get smartphones until they reached 14.

Have restrictions in place on their IP addresses when in the house. They have Facebook & snap chat but to be fair they are friends with their mum on these sites so that helps keep a break on them being used by bullies. Having a very open conversation with at least one parent is vital in my opinion. That's my wife's domain with our girls. I'm there to do the techie stuff round the house & brought in when the good cop/bad cop routine is needed.

Not much else that can be done short of physically denying them the technology. Plus, kids are very tech savvy these days so they will find ways round your best efforts beyond the house with WFI being everywhere.

On a similar note it is frightening to see how quickly our youngest takes to technology.

You're right that parenting always has its worries, but I don't know how you can fully protect kids from technology beyond getting up to speed with It oneself & like I said having a good relationship with your kids.
 

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It's amazing how a man can barely take a walk in the park on his own nowadays without being accosted by overly suspicious parents who have no problems letting their youngsters have access to god knows what on the internet. There's more to fear from children using the internet than some imaginary paedo hanging out in the local park.

But finance minister Michael Noonan thinks it's great that children use the internet and said last year that every child over the age of 5, yes 5, should have an Ipad.
 

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We know whats happening.

Primary school children are spending up to 7.5 hours a day on computers and it is grossly limiting the challenges to their imagination which used to come from making up their own games. Theya re also much more sedentary ad that is reflected in delayed motor co-ordination .

Because the children are bombarded with chaotic sensory input from computer games, they struggle with attention and self-regulation skills necessary for learning. This creates behavioural problems in the classroom.

So they re fat, over-stimulated, stressed and backward.
 

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It's amazing how a man can barely take a walk in the park on his own nowadays without being accosted by overly suspicious parents who have no problems letting their youngsters have access to god knows what on the internet. There's more to fear from children using the internet than some imaginary paedo hanging out in the local park.

But finance minister Michael Noonan thinks it's great that children use the internet and said last year that every child over the age of 5, yes 5, should have an Ipad.
No more schoolbooks.
 

Lara2

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We know whats happening.

Primary school children are spending up to 7.5 hours a day on computers and it is grossly limiting the challenges to their imagination which used to come from making up their own games. Theya re also much more sedentary ad that is reflected in delayed motor co-ordination .

Because the children are bombarded with chaotic sensory input from computer games, they struggle with attention and self-regulation skills necessary for learning. This creates behavioural problems in the classroom.

So they re fat, over-stimulated, stressed and backward.
And, as studies are starting to show, lacking in social skills, and who's fault is that? It's not uncommon to see a whole family of four travelling on a train or bus with the two parents and the two childrens heads stuck firmly in the screen of whatever device they are using and not verbally communicating at all. They're not observing anything that's around them, it's opium for the masses.

I am sick of people bumping into me on the street with their heads down studying their phones and not looking where they are going. It's only going to get worse with Pokemon Go, with children and adults running about the roads and streets chasing imaginary cartoons, a bit like acid without the actual acid. I can see this leading to all sorts of disasters already, ie, people being lured into dodgy areas and getting mugged of their phones. Children's safety will also be put at risk. Yet they're saying Pokemon Go is great for children as they're running about and losing weight. Just let the child play with a f*cking football, how can someone run and not take their eye off their phone without going arse over tit, the world has gone fúcking MAD.
 

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And, as studies are starting to show, lacking in social skills, and who's fault is that? It's not uncommon to see a whole family of four travelling on a train or bus with the two parents and the two childrens heads stuck firmly in the screen of whatever device they are using and not verbally communicating at all. They're not observing anything that's around them, it's opium for the masses.

I am sick of people bumping into me on the street with their heads down studying their phones and not looking where they are going. It's only going to get worse with Pokemon Go, with children and adults running about the roads and streets chasing imaginary cartoons, a bit like acid without the actual acid. I can see this leading to all sorts of disasters already, ie, people being lured into dodgy areas and getting mugged of their phones. Children's safety will also be put at risk. Yet they're saying Pokemon Go is great for children as they're running about and losing weight. Just let the child play with a f*cking football, how can someone run and not take their eye off their phone without going arse over tit, the world has gone fúcking MAD.

Studies in England have shown 8 year
olds unable to use building blocks due to Ipad addiction.

I think there was some research that Irish teens were obsessed with validation on social media - and this was damaging their self-esteem and basically their ability to operate outside the herd. Thats because they have no real sources of self-confidence which come from being able to do something or achieve something. Just what the electronic mob says about them.

Does bode well for the future.
 

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Studies in England have shown 8 year
olds unable to use building blocks due to Ipad addiction.

I think there was some research that Irish teens were obsessed with validation on social media - and this was damaging their self-esteem and basically their ability to operate outside the herd. Thats because they have no real sources of self-confidence which come from being able to do something or achieve something. Just what the electronic mob says about them.

Does bode well for the future.
Yes, I think all teens are obsessed with validation on social media, not just Irish ones. Americans would be just as bad if not worse. It's all about how many likes you have, how many friends you have, what great lives they live. Everything is up for scrutiny and compared. What I do know is that more Irish teens are presenting with mental health issues like depression and anxiety related to low self-confidence and self esteem, and several teenagers have died as a result of suicide after being bullied online.

Not every second of your life has to be documented as proof you were there at that festival/event/concert, people filming gigs/concerts are my bugbear because of the distracting light of their devices, the band is playing live in front of them yet they feel the need to watch it through a lens while recording it which will no doubt be another sh1t-sounding shaky recording uploaded onto the already overflowing sh1t quality videos on Youtube. Just watch the band and enjoy being in the moment instead of documenting it.
 

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Ears, clip, sorted...
 
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This is an apt topic for me at the moment.

Both kids have tablets which each have parental controls.

Last week - despite being in their separate rooms - my youngest caused my daughter great angst by destroying a house she'd built in Minecraft. In a sense, it was funny to see that they could upset each other without direct visual contact.

There are some really good parental controls available for tablet usage and we use them to limit what they can access and for how long.

They are both barred from any social media. I don't use it myself, so it's no biggy.
 

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[video=youtube;VK9UAsI9ZHs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VK9UAsI9ZHs[/video] :rolleyes:
 

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Well, no kids (fúck you, SIL!) at the moment but Ms. Schifo keeps threatening that this might change at some point, so it is a worry. From my vague recollections of being in school, I can't help but think social networks must be heaven and hell for kids (how do you like them apples, ha SIL?). Potentially very nasty but how do you force your twelve year old to exclude themselves from what all the other kids (ha, ha, in your face, shouty!) are doing? Personally, I'd want to block them from joining these networks but that's probably not realistic.

Anyway, reminds me of two articles I saw recently, but haven't bothered to read..

Psychologist David Coleman: 'There is absolutely no reason why 11-year-olds need to be on Snapchat or engaged in online socialising of any kind' - Independent.ie

Still waiting for my june edition to turn up after a change of address. Apparently, their computer system is a tad out of date.

Serious Brain Benefits from Computer Games - Scientific American
 

che schifo

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This is an apt topic for me at the moment.

Both kids have tablets which each have parental controls.

Last week - despite being in their separate rooms - my youngest caused my daughter great angst by destroying a house she'd built in Minecraft. In a sense, it was funny to see that they could upset each other without direct visual contact.

There are some really good parental controls available for tablet usage and we use them to limit what they can access and for how long.

They are both barred from any social media. I don't use it myself, so it's no biggy.
When I was a teenager, we had tablets as well.. They often had little smiley faces on them...
 

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When I was a teenager, we had tablets as well.. They often had little smiley faces on them...
Think you had it bad? Back in my day we were so lacking in tech they had to hand-draw smiley faces on acid tabs with markers.
 

ShoutingIsLeadership

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Well, no kids (fúck you, SIL!) at the moment but Ms. Schifo keeps threatening that this might change at some point, so it is a worry. From my vague recollections of being in school, I can't help but think social networks must be heaven and hell for kids (how do you like them apples, ha SIL?). Potentially very nasty but how do you force your twelve year old to exclude themselves from what all the other kids (ha, ha, in your face, shouty!) are doing? Personally, I'd want to block them from joining these networks but that's probably not realistic.

Anyway, reminds me of two articles I saw recently, but haven't bothered to read..

Psychologist David Coleman: 'There is absolutely no reason why 11-year-olds need to be on Snapchat or engaged in online socialising of any kind' - Independent.ie

Still waiting for my june edition to turn up after a change of address. Apparently, their computer system is a tad out of date.

Serious Brain Benefits from Computer Games - Scientific American

I hope your wife chops your balls off
 

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