Children of the Nazis living in Israel



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L'Chaim

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Not strange at all. When the nazis were defeated Jews could have sought revenge against the families of Nazis or took to suicide bombs to kill as many people associated with the Nazis as possible. But guess what?.......they never did that. They went after the nazis who survived the war, but they never took revenge on the children of those Nazis. And if some of those children converted to Judaism then good luck to them and they are very welcome in Israel
 

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Strange indeed. Put them together with the so-called " quarter Jews " from Russia many of whom are neo-nazis and what would you get ?
Interesting- the descendants of Nazis must be Nazis too.

Think it's in the genes??
 

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Admire Israel in many respects.

But why should I be surprised that the victims of Nazism might be coarsened by their experience and destined to repeat the horrors of their persecutors ?

And to hear that offspring of Nazis are now in positions of power in Israel may explain much of the unacceptable behaviour the world has witnessed in Israel itself and the surrounding territories over many decades.

Having said that.....there are many good Israelis who are ashamed of their country's excesses and disregard for human rights.

These Israelis, who are a population minority, are to be admired for not degenerating into the Nazi-type behaviour they see around them, and for the courage they exhibit in the face of poisonous State-backed terror.

Many (but by no means all) Israelis these days, are bigots and zealots.

What major European country in the Thirties and Forties do they remind you of ?

It's time that decent, tolerant and sensitive Israelis should strongly assert all that is good in that country.........and not let their nation continue in the grip of bigots and the off-spring of their former persecutors.
 

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I wonder will the children and grandchildren of FFkers feel guilty enough to convert to being ordinary law abiding taxpayers someday ?
 

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Admire Israel in many respects.

But why should I be surprised that the victims of Nazism might be coarsened by their experience and destined to repeat the horrors of their persecutors ?

And to hear that offspring of Nazis are now in positions of power in Israel may explain much of the unacceptable behaviour the world has witnessed in Israel itself and the surrounding territories over many decades.

Having said that.....there are many good Israelis who are ashamed of their country's excesses and disregard for human rights.

These Israelis, who are a population minority, are to be admired for not degenerating into the Nazi-type behaviour they see around them, and for the courage they exhibit in the face of poisonous State-backed terror.

Many (but by no means all) Israelis these days, are bigots and zealots.

What major European country in the Thirties and Forties do they remind you of ?

It's time that decent, tolerant and sensitive Israelis should strongly assert all that is good in that country.........and not let their nation continue in the grip of bigots and the off-spring of their former persecutors.
Where to begin. A large percentage of Israelis are Eastern European so the only thing that oppressed them was lots of socialism. Does that make them socialists now?
A great many Israelis (maybe a quarter but I'm sure somebody out there knows) are native to the Middle East and North Africa. However much one may disapprove of Israel's actions as a nation, the tentative "Nazi" connection smacks of sheer desperation and is a very, very tired one at this stage.
 

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the tentative "Nazi" connection
The connection between the Ashkenazi Zionists and Nazi's is not so tentative. Here. Zionism and Nazism are extremely similar philosophies. It is no small wonder that a Zionist State should exhibit similar traits to a Nazi State. Nor is it any secret that many times the abused become the abusers.
 

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Luigi

Are you saying that it is 'guilt' that has driven Nazi offspring to become part of the power-wielding elite in Israel ?

Or is it the shame they feel and the desire for respectability ?

Or is it, as I suspect, the recognition that modern day Israel in some respects reminds them of their lost Reich, what with its super nationalism and a minority Muslim population that can be persecuted and exploited.

In one sense it's like a home-from-home for these Nazi offspring. Hence, the reason they probably feel so comfortable in Israel.

All they need do is attend a synagogue and in the words of L'Chaim " they are very welcome in Israel". Shame on you, L'Chaim. Did you ever hear of the name/word Quisling ?

As for FF children and grandchildren atoning for the sins of their fathers......that will only happen when FF is smashed politically and no longer a vehicle for these unconstructed young 'uns to return to in better times.

Never must Nazis or economy, morality and sensibility destroyers like FF be allowed to return to power. We owe it to lovely innocent Jewish and Irish children to protect our countries, Israel and Ireland, against any resurrection of these evil people.
 

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Zionism and Nazism are extremely similar philosophies.
How so?! That's a pretty outrageous claim. Zionism has something in common with all forms of Nationalism, and Nazism is only one, highly specific, form of socialist Nationalism. The only reason people single out Nazism as particularly akin to Zionism is because they think it's ironic.

It is no small wonder that a Zionist State should exhibit similar traits to a Nazi State. Nor is it any secret that many times the abused become the abusers.
Why is it? More Israelis are descended from the oppressed of Communist states - so why aren't they Communists?
 

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The connection between the Ashkenazi Zionists and Nazi's is not so tentative. Here. Zionism and Nazism are extremely similar philosophies. It is no small wonder that a Zionist State should exhibit similar traits to a Nazi State. Nor is it any secret that many times the abused become the abusers.
Such stupidity! You have a mind and yet you choose not to use it.
 

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Luigi

Are you saying that it is 'guilt' that has driven Nazi offspring to become part of the power-wielding elite in Israel ?

Or is it the shame they feel and the desire for respectability ?

Or is it, as I suspect, the recognition that modern day Israel in some respects reminds them of their lost Reich, what with its super nationalism and a minority Muslim population that can be persecuted and exploited.

In one sense it's like a home-from-home for these Nazi offspring. Hence, the reason they probably feel so comfortable in Israel.

All they need do is attend a synagogue and in the words of L'Chaim " they are very welcome in Israel". Shame on you, L'Chaim. Did you ever hear of the name/word Quisling ?

As for FF children and grandchildren atoning for the sins of their fathers......that will only happen when FF is smashed politically and no longer a vehicle for these unconstructed young 'uns to return to in better times.

Never must Nazis or economy, morality and sensibility destroyers like FF be allowed to return to power. We owe it to lovely innocent Jewish and Irish children to protect our countries, Israel and Ireland, against any resurrection of these evil people.
The Nazis were the fathers. What would be an absolute disgrace would be if children, who had nothing to do with their father's crimes, being victimised and not allowed become Jews. The fathers were the criminals, not the children.
 

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Or is it, as I suspect, the recognition that modern day Israel in some respects reminds them of their lost Reich
Moving to a country full of Jews wasn't really the best choice for them then :)

Maybe they'd feel more at home in Iran?
 

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Shame on you L'Chaim. You are an insult to the dignity of decent Israelis.

According to you, all that Nazi offspring need do is to go to synagogue whenever and "they are very welcome in Israel".

So Nazi families need never rehabilitate, repent or reconstruct themselves, but so long as they don a skull cap, "they are very welcome in Israel". What a sectarian and bigoted approach to eligability for Israeli citizenship.

But why should people be surprised ? There is very little difference between your opinion and that of your fellow Midlde Easten enemies; simply convert, and irresspective of your background (criminal or otherwise), everything will be OK.

Why, one day you may rise to join the power elite in Tel Aviv and indulge (once again) in the Nazi habits of your fathers !!!!

I have respect for Israel and some Israelis but you are a disgrace to many, many dignified, sensitive people in that nation.

When are your type going to declare what you truly believe i.e.:

"A message to all Nazi or ex-Nazi families around the world, particularly South America.

"Come to Israel where you will be very welcome (L'Chaim said so).

"Indulge yourselves in the way your family knows how. We too have a minority you can persecute with impunity. Simply indicate a desire to become any kind of a Jew and all your power desires will be acccommodated in our society. No questions asked.

"Live the lifestyle you were formerly accustomed to. You will find there are many others here who share your perspectives and outlook in life".

You know, L'Chaim, with apologists on its behalf like you, Israel does not need enemies without. It has one or two within.

We sometimes called them Fifth Columnists or Quislings !

You are a disgrace to the country you profess to support.
 

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I wonder are any of them in Yisrael Beiteneu or the National Union? Might explain their fascist ideology including demands to 'transfer' the Palestinians.
 

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Tim Johnston,

Israel.....Iran......Iraq....formerly South America.....parts of Africa.......where ever.

Anywhere there is a disrespect for human rights, life, other cultural traditions, Nazis or their families will comfortably fit in.

It sort of reminds them of the society they have great nostalgia for.

Not surprising they should feel empathy with the type of societies that bear some similarities to their beloved Reich.

And so what if they have to 'convert ' to Judaism or Islam or Catholicism in order to revert to type.

It's only a tiny gesture to make to get one's hands on the levers of power, business, politics etc in order to once again live the lifestyle to which they and their families were psychologically accustomed.

Autocracy is everything to Nazis and their families. That's why they find it so easy to take up residence in societies that exhibit intolerant and bigoted approaches to others.

'Ocoonassa' is right when he/she says that victims of oppression and abuse are often conditioned to become the next generation of abusers. God knows, there are enough examples of this.

Why should we be surprised to see the likes of L'Chaim and his ilk who would have us understand that the offspring of Nazis are very welcome in Israel ? Perhaps because he (L'Chaim) feels they would fit in very comfortably in the Israel of today !!!

And he (L'Chaim) could be right !
 

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What a bloody weird thread.
 


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