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Childrens Benefit Budget 2014: The case for less money for each subsequent Child!


potholedogger

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Children's Benefit payments represent some 10% of the Welfare budget. Amazingly until recently payments increased for each subsequent Child after the second Child.

Budget 2013 provides for a Child Benefit of €140 for the fourth and subsequent Child, with the first three children's benefit being reduced to €130 each

The reduction of the premium for subsequent children marks a change in attitude and policy.

Budget 2014 must again look to Children's Benefit to close the expenditure deficit.

There must be some case for paying each subsequent child less, as there must be some economy of scale with child bearing and rearing, in areas such as transport, housing, heating, entertainment, cooking, shopping, supervision, etc!

The premium for the fourth and subsequent child must imply that the basic payment of the first three children is insufficient.

Surely the Government will look to this obvious saving measure in Budget 2014. There will be a lot of guff about applying a means test for Children's Benefit in the coming year.

Ireland is one of the few Countries that does not apply a tax credit for Children. That is an argument in itself for a universal payment.
 


Telemachus

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This is a lite version of the Chinese one child policy. Contrary to popular belief forced abortions are rare in China, the system relies on denying school fees and child support payments to the second and subsequent child forcing the parents to consider abortion, "Excess" children are basically subjected to educational and health penalties.

The state grabs your money and they use the "carrot" of tax-relief of your own money to control you.

Since all children of the state are to be valued equally i dont know how a "child limit" on welfare can be constitutional.
 

Pink Panther

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As I recall, the original rationale behind paying more to third and subsequent children was because research showed that larger families were more at risk of poverty.

It wasn't about the costs associated with the third child per se but the overall costs attaching to bigger families. For instance, the more children in the house the less scope there is to have two incomes, and the more unlikely it is for a parent (usually mum) to return to the workforce.
 

Amnesiac

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Children's Benefit payments represent some 10% of the Welfare budget. Amazingly until recently payments increased for each subsequent Child after the second Child.

Budget 2013 provides for a Child Benefit of €140 for the fourth and subsequent Child, with the first three children's benefit being reduced to €130 each

The reduction of the premium for subsequent children marks a change in attitude and policy.

Budget 2014 must again look to Children's Benefit to close the expenditure deficit.

There must be some case for paying each subsequent child less, as there must be some economy of scale with child bearing and rearing, in areas such as transport, housing, heating, entertainment, cooking, shopping, supervision, etc!

The premium for the fourth and subsequent child must imply that the basic payment of the first three children is insufficient.

Surely the Government will look to this obvious saving measure in Budget 2014. There will be a lot of guff about applying a means test for Children's Benefit in the coming year.
A bizarre setup. Reforming it is just common sense and isn't a bad political move either.

Ireland is one of the few Countries that does not apply a tax credit for Children. That is an argument in itself for a universal payment.
I don't see the logic behind a tax credit for those with children, or child benefit for that matter. Providing it because many other countries do so isn't a convincing argument.
 

b.a. baracus

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It should either be means tested or taxed, end of story.
 

realistic1

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Children's Benefit payments represent some 10% of the Welfare budget. Amazingly until recently payments increased for each subsequent Child after the second Child.

Budget 2013 provides for a Child Benefit of €140 for the fourth and subsequent Child, with the first three children's benefit being reduced to €130 each

The reduction of the premium for subsequent children marks a change in attitude and policy.

Budget 2014 must again look to Children's Benefit to close the expenditure deficit.

There must be some case for paying each subsequent child less, as there must be some economy of scale with child bearing and rearing, in areas such as transport, housing, heating, entertainment, cooking, shopping, supervision, etc!

The premium for the fourth and subsequent child must imply that the basic payment of the first three children is insufficient.

Surely the Government will look to this obvious saving measure in Budget 2014. There will be a lot of guff about applying a means test for Children's Benefit in the coming year.

Ireland is one of the few Countries that does not apply a tax credit for Children. That is an argument in itself for a universal payment.
So basically it is a case of big families for the wealthy only? and still give them childrens allowance?
 

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