China lands a probe on the Far Side of the Moon.


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China has long considered itself to be the celestial Kingdom and the center of the Universe and now is going Great Lengths to prove the point.

Far side of the moon: China's Chang'e 4 probe makes historic touchdown | Science | The Guardian

"A Chinese spacecraft has become the first to land on the far side of the moon in a historic moment for human space exploration.

The robotic probe Chang’e 4 landed in the unexplored South Pole-Aitken basin, the biggest known impact structure in the solar system, at about 2.30am GMT on Thursday. Prior to confirmation of the landing and the release of the first close-up shots of the far lunar surface by the Chinese state broadcaster CCTV, many details of the mission, including the planned timing of the landing, had been kept secret.

Instruments onboard the Chang’e lander and rover will aim to study the local lunar geology, probe the moon’s interior, and analyse the solar wind – a stream of high-energy particles that flow from the sun. Onboard experiments will also test how well plants grow in the weak lunar gravity."

Will China send a person to the Moon before the US returns, will China become the first country to establish a Lunar base?

Thoughts? Pink Floyd references?
 

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Better late than never I guess. Could they photograph the lunar jeep thingy while they're there to prove the Americans were actually on the moon for our Limerick SF chap.
 

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China has long considered itself to be the celestial Kingdom and the center of the Universe and now is going Great Lengths to prove the point.

Far side of the moon: China's Chang'e 4 probe makes historic touchdown | Science | The Guardian

"A Chinese spacecraft has become the first to land on the far side of the moon in a historic moment for human space exploration.

The robotic probe Chang’e 4 landed in the unexplored South Pole-Aitken basin, the biggest known impact structure in the solar system, at about 2.30am GMT on Thursday. Prior to confirmation of the landing and the release of the first close-up shots of the far lunar surface by the Chinese state broadcaster CCTV, many details of the mission, including the planned timing of the landing, had been kept secret.

Instruments onboard the Chang’e lander and rover will aim to study the local lunar geology, probe the moon’s interior, and analyse the solar wind – a stream of high-energy particles that flow from the sun. Onboard experiments will also test how well plants grow in the weak lunar gravity."

Will China send a person to the Moon before the US returns, will China become the first country to establish a Lunar base?

Thoughts? Pink Floyd references?
As a piece of science, this is to be welcomed.

And there would be absolutely nothing wrong with the Chinese Moonbase. However, a joint Chinese-Japanese-Indian-European-US-Whatever Moonbase would be even better.

Space has been one place where effective international co-operation has worked. Science in general works as a successful collective human enterprise (e.g. climate science, weather forecasting).

We need more international co-operation, not less. Perhaps the Chinese becoming serious players in space is an opportunity to do that.

On the negative side, international rivalry to exploit resources on the Moon, like minerals, needs to be avoided. There is a fore taste of this going on here on Earth, as a shrinking Arctic lends itself to exploitation, and possibly a shrinking Antarctic also.
 

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Better late than never I guess. Could they photograph the lunar jeep thingy while they're there to prove the Americans were actually on the moon for our Limerick SF chap.
No one has landed anything on the dark side of the Moon before so I believe that is a first.
 

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As a piece of science, this is to be welcomed.

And there would be absolutely nothing wrong with the Chinese Moonbase. However, a joint Chinese-Japanese-Indian-European-US-Whatever Moonbase would be even better.

Space has been one place where effective international co-operation has worked. Science in general works as a successful collective human enterprise (e.g. climate science, weather forecasting).

We need more international co-operation, not less. Perhaps the Chinese becoming serious players in space is an opportunity to do that.

On the negative side, international rivalry to exploit resources on the Moon, like minerals, needs to be avoided. There is a fore taste of this going on here on Earth, as a shrinking Arctic lends itself to exploitation, and possibly a shrinking Antarctic also.
China is distinctly not a part of any international space effort no Chinese astronaut has ever been aboard the ISS for instance China has its own space agency.
 

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Those million Muslim Uighurs in Chinese 're-education' camps must feel like they
are on the 'dark side of the moon'. :unsure:

Our Irish Hard Left 'activists' and SJW's?? Meh. :sneaky:
 

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No one has landed anything on the dark side of the Moon before so I believe that is a first.
Yes it is, hard to believe humans could land a probe on Titan, Saturn's moon before exploring via probe half of our own!
 

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I suppose the correct term is "far side" of the moon rather than dark side, because it isn't any darker than the near side. But, it's a hard place to land an automated probe because radio communications aren't possible with the moon blocking the path back to earth. I think they solved that problem by putting a satellite in orbit around the moon and relaying communications through it. It's an impressive achievement though.
 

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I suppose the correct term is "far side" of the moon rather than dark side, because it isn't any darker than the near side. But, it's a hard place to land an automated probe because radio communications aren't possible with the moon blocking the path back to earth. I think they solved that problem by putting a satellite in orbit around the moon and relaying communications through it. It's an impressive achievement though.
I remember Goldblum explaining how that process worked in Independence Day.

[video=youtube;97kezKttKaE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97kezKttKaE[/video]
 

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China is distinctly not a part of any international space effort no Chinese astronaut has ever been aboard the ISS for instance China has its own space agency.
Maybe it is time that ended. Europe has its own Space Agency, and that does not preclude co-operation with the US and Russia.

However, it would be a massive act of statesmanship to bridge the gap - not with Trump in office in the US, at any rate.
 

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[video=youtube;U2dcjFCvnmU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2dcjFCvnmU[/video]
Does America face another Sputnik moment?

If it is, then it will ignore it.

If building 2,000 mile wall (or is it a steel fence?) is Trump's top priority that talk about dominance in space is pure flatulence. Anyway, I would argue that space should be treated like the Antarctic - primarily for scientific exploration and joint development. Not a place for Great Power rivalries. Of course, the human race seems to have forgotten what that can lead to.
 

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Decepticons? Nonsense, Fake News.
Everybody knows that nazis live there. If the Chinese had really landed there, they would have had their asses kicked.

[video=youtube;Jth4yATniS4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jth4yATniS4[/video]
[video]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FwQk7Sn_cwk[/video]

They moved years ago
 

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Does America face another Sputnik moment?

If it is, then it will ignore it.

If building 2,000 mile wall (or is it a steel fence?) is Trump's top priority that talk about dominance in space is pure flatulence. Anyway, I would argue that space should be treated like the Antarctic - primarily for scientific exploration and joint development. Not a place for Great Power rivalries. Of course, the human race seems to have forgotten what that can lead to.
JFK called for "landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to earth" in 1961. It was 8 years and two presidents later before the plan was realised.

It's hard to imagine any of Trump's notions surviving a year or two of his own administration, never mind a program that spans multiple administrations.
 

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China's exclusion from the ISS program long predates Trump's presidency.
In 2007, Chinese vice-minister of science and technology Li Xueyong said that China would like to participate in the ISS.[22] In 2010, ESA Director-General Jean-Jacques Dordain stated his agency was ready to propose to the other 4 partners that China be invited to join the partnership, but that this needs to be a collective decision by all the current partners.[23] While ESA is open to China's inclusion, the US is against it. US concerns over the transfer of technology that could be used for military purposes echo similar concerns over Russia's participation prior to its membership.[24] Concerns over Russian involvement were overcome and NASA became solely dependent upon Russian crew capsules when its shuttles were grounded after the Columbia accident in 2003,[25] and again after its retirement in 2011.[26][27] The Chinese government has voiced a belief that international exchanges and co-operation in the field of aerospace engineering should be intensified on the basis of mutual benefit, peaceful use and common development.
The day may eventually arrive when China excludes the USA from space.
It would be far better if the Americans were to now invite the Chinese into the "international" program before its too late.
Leave it too long, and they will have gone their own way, possibly taking the Russians with them. Leading to a whole new era of "cold war" in space.
 

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Does America face another Sputnik moment?

If it is, then it will ignore it.

If building 2,000 mile wall (or is it a steel fence?) is Trump's top priority that talk about dominance in space is pure flatulence. Anyway, I would argue that space should be treated like the Antarctic - primarily for scientific exploration and joint development. Not a place for Great Power rivalries. Of course, the human race seems to have forgotten what that can lead to.
I wonder will the Chinese be able to get their Space Station up and running before the ISS is decommissioned?
 
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