China offers to help Ireland in Covid Crisis.

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Excuse me for saying this, in what other way do you find out what happens in this world other than reading your daily feed of brainwashing?

The doctor, let call him Doc Li, who you are led to believe, treated like a pariah, was NOT the doctor, Doc Lee, who identified the unusual cases. Doc. Li was an eye doctor who received the message about some (7) unusual cases with possible link to a virus on 30.21.2019 in the local heath messaging system.

Doc Li didn't have the insights or the professional expertise to know anything more than he was told by the local health authorises which in turn started the investigation on the same day! Doc. Li shared this message in his private internet wechat group with some friends and warned these friends to be careful because he got information that there were SARS cases, he also told them "NOT TO TELL OTHERS THIS INFORMATION"!

However, somebody in the group immediately spread the information on internet (what the keyboard experts around the world would always do) which triggered a bit of panic among a small number of local crowds. The local police was notified the panic and traced the source to Dr. Li (and a few others). The police asked Doc. Li to go to the local police station for inquiry. He went there and spent one hour. Because at that time, the virus was not identified (it is NOT SARS) and the local health authorities did not publicise the matter (how could they when they themselves don't know the virus) yet, the information publicised by Doc. Li (unintentionally) was treated as unauthorised rumour which led to some local unrest. As a result, the police asked Doc. Li to sign a reprimand sheet on which he admitted that he publicised information that he was not authorised to share with the public and promised not to do it again. He was let go. This is the pariah treatment he received!

Doc. Li was subsequently infected in the following epidemic as he was part of medical staff treating patient (a pariah who was allowed to continue his professional work?), many of them also were infected when they were treating patients. Unfortunately he passed away at the beginning of Feb.

What happened later is the stories that you learn from the brainwashing crowd and keyboard experts who harbour much ideological and racial hatred against the Chinese government and the Chinese people!
So all those Chinese people angry at their governments reaction to the doctor who tried to inform people of this virus are actually harboring anti Chinese sentiments. Even though they are Chinese themselves?

I don't buy your "everyone is brainwashed" story one bit.
 


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Then go to believe what you have been told, it's your loss. BTW you must have been told too that Trump is a good friend of China and Chinese. Either the holy democratically elected leader lies or he was telling the truth on that matter, you cannot have it both ways.

All you and people like you are capable of doing is repeating what you have been fed for years and ignore facts while repeating general insults by labelling people without any concrete evidence.

When confronted by facts, start singing "lalala".
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Well if Trump says the Chinese government are on the level then they must be!

Hil-fecking-alarious.

I thought it would be years before some people would try to say the Chinese government weren't criminally negligent by suppressing their knowledge of this virus. I didn't think it would happen before the end of March 2020.

Be honest. What's your agenda here?
 

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Iran rejects virus aid offer from US 'charlatans' as cases soar
Iran's supreme leader Ali Khamenei insists his country would never accept any aid to fight the novel coronavirus from arch-enemy and "charlatans" the United States, as Tehran announced 129 new deaths.

Speaking in a televised address, Khamenei charged in a message directed at Washington: "No one trusts you. You are capable of bringing into our country a drug that will keep the virus alive and prevent its eradication."

Iran has been one of the countries worst hit by the COVID-19 illness along with Italy, Spain and China, and the latest fatalities raised the official death toll to 1,685, the health ministry said.

More than 1,028 new cases in the past 24 hours meant a total of 21,638 people had now tested positive for the virus, said ministry spokesman Kianouche Jahanpour.

US President Donald Trump - who has stepped up sanctions and a "maximum pressure" campaign on Tehran over its nuclear programme - said on February 29 that Washington was ready to help Iran fight the virus if its leaders requested it but Khamenei reiterated Iran's rejection of that offer and told its "most ferocious and vicious enemy" that "If you have something, use it for yourself."

Iran has a population of some 81 million and the disease is present in all 31 provinces. To limit the spread of the virus, the authorities have asked people to refrain from travelling during the nation's current New Year celebrations.

While it refuses to seek assistance from the American 'Great Satan', the Islamic Republic has not closed the door to international help.

Iran said that by mid-March it had received medical equipment or financial aid from Azerbaijan, Britain, China, France, Germany, Japan, Qatar, Russia, Turkey and the United Arab Emirates. Aid group Doctors Without Borders (MSF) announced today that it would send a 50-bed inflatable hospital and a nine-person emergency team to Isfahan, Iran's third largest city
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Dont think we would have the same objections, is the Iran leader puting the county sovereignity aheaad of the peoples health
 

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You're saying Ireland should hand over badly needed protective gear to the EU?
No. If the Chinese send us stuff, we are entitled to keep it.

But the EU is the central stockpile and clearing house - in future, let them procure all resources they can and respond to where the need is greatest. It is better to have a one-stop-shop than for all 27 countries squabbling and scrambling to get what they can.

Yes, we could gain in the short term. But the Chinese are not doing this because they love us the best - they might just as easily decide tomorrow it suits them better to support someone else.
 

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Better educate yourself first before feeling uncomfortable with anything that contradicts your belief. I suggest you start from looking up the word "totalitarian" in the dictionary and then take a trip to China to check the facts on the ground instead of repeating the decade old saliva fed into your mouth by "our reporters and correspondents" who hardly recognizes a single character used in the country where they are supposed to report.
no opposition so? So dictatorial?
ok.
And would you characterize government in China as centralized with Xi or distributed and Xi as more a federal head of state?
 

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no opposition so? So dictatorial?
ok.
And would you characterize government in China as centralized with Xi or distributed and Xi as more a federal head of state?
Don't digress, apparently you haven't looked up the word “totalitarian", so please go and do your homework first.
 

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Don't digress, apparently you haven't looked up the word “totalitarian", so please go and do your homework first.
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tell me what you think the characteristics on totalitarian are?
dictatorial is not one of them? complete loyalty to state? Centralized power?
 

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Large amounts of protective equipment and Covid tests being sent from China. Let's hope there's no delay in this stuff arriving. Coronavirus: Irish Government is open to help from China, says Tánaiste
And lets hope the plane doesn't stop off for refueling at Czech Republic, where they are likely to swop it for some knackered old stuff they have lying around.

“Today (ie on Sunday) I am sending a letter to the Italian Foreign Minister explaining the whole situation. We won’t send the seized equipment but similar gear, which corresponds exactly to the one that was intended for Italy...
 

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tell me what you think the characteristics on totalitarian are?
dictatorial is not one of them? complete loyalty to state? Centralized power?
"Totalitarianism is a political system or a form of government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life. It is regarded as the most extreme and complete form of authoritarianism. "

If you go to China and live there for a prolonged period of time with local people, you will realise how wrong you are with describing China as a totalitarian state. But I doubt that you have either the willingness or the courage/resources to seek the truth from real investigation. You and people like you are only interested in absorbing information that confirms your long-held views that have been fed to you by the media, the state and the people around who share similar views as well as ignorance with you.
 

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If you go to China and live there for a prolonged period of time with local people, you will realise how wrong you are with describing China as a totalitarian state.
Chang is that you?
 

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Both Russia and China as we know them probably wouldn't function under our understanding of democracy. Land mass and the fact that both are actual super-national constructs governing many peoples of many different languages and customs I think we should be very wary of labelling and generalising to the point of absurdity.
 

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Some people believe that Chernoybl was the last nail in the USSR's coffin, the people of Russia realised that the communist party were more interested in their reputation than in the lives of Russian people, the same could well happen in China.
I say we take what we can get and when the dust settles hold China to account for the hundreds of thousands of lives that could have been saved had the communist party shared their information about covoid 19 instead of covering it up.
Plus take them to task for causing the virus and get the vast bureacracies of the UN and WHO to get their finger out and condemn them and put severe guidelines in place to try and make them get rid of their filthy food practices.

SARS and COVID: China's gifts to the world from its wet markets.
 

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Plus take them to task for causing the virus and get the vast bureacracies of the UN and WHO to get their finger out and condemn them and put severe guidelines in place to try and make them get rid of their filthy food practices.

SARS and COVID: China's gifts to the world from its wet markets.
Indeed, I do think sanctions would harm people and not the party though, the best that could happen is that Chinese people become aware of their authoritarian governments ineptitude and how their attempted cover up cost thousands of their lives.
 

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Indeed, I do think sanctions would harm people and not the party though, the best that could happen is that Chinese people become aware of their authoritarian governments ineptitude and how their attempted cover up cost thousands of their lives.
It's worse than ineptitude. It's a reckless disregard for health and safety. And a cover-up would not be necessary if there was no reckless endangerment in the first place.

In the winter of 2002–2003, the deadly SARS coronavirus exploded out of China’s ‘wet-blood’ wildlife markets. SARS infected over 8,000 people worldwide and killed almost 800. Yet post-crisis, China laxly enforced bans on the offending markets, only to permit them to flourish soon thereafter. Today’s COVID-19 is the deadly and avoidable legacy of China’s recklessness.
 

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"Totalitarianism is a political system or a form of government that prohibits opposition parties, restricts individual opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high degree of control over public and private life. It is regarded as the most extreme and complete form of authoritarianism. "

If you go to China and live there for a prolonged period of time with local people, you will realise how wrong you are with describing China as a totalitarian state. But I doubt that you have either the willingness or the courage/resources to seek the truth from real investigation. You and people like you are only interested in absorbing information that confirms your long-held views that have been fed to you by the media, the state and the people around who share similar views as well as ignorance with you.
They do Social Scoring. Only a totalitarian government would even consider such a thing.
 


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