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Christian Brothers should be disbanded


DS-09

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In light of the recent disgusting storeys and tales of horror told by CBS abuse victims- why is the institution in name still active? It should be disbanded immediately from both religious and secular schools. I say this as somebody (like most Irish people) who comes from a Roman Catholic family and background (many active-particularly older), and as somebody who believes that religious education- and the religion of the students & parents is respected, and taught just as much as any other subject- but I cannot for the life of me think how this sadistic CBS institution can remain in the land a year longer. An informing and shocking thread below which I would encourage you to read…….


http://www.politics.ie/current-affairs/70995-day-life-industrial-school-boy-punishment-perspective.html
 

Tommy Tayto

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Frankly I'm surprised one of these abuser priests hasn't been hunted down and had his throat cut by an angry mob. It would be more than justified after some of the evidence I've heard, and I don't say it lightly.
 

ManOfReason

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Agreed - even if many of its members have bigger worries:

 

patronsaint

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I have deliberately avoided media coverage of the horror stories during the last few days as I get very sickened and angry by the personal accounts of those who were raped and abused. However, I did catch about 10 minutes of three people on Joe Duffy , starting at about 2.45 today and it was vile stuff. The victims ( one male, two female ) struck me as being extraordinarily well balanced having experienced such cruelty as children. It has led me to one conclusion, though. All religious should be removed from childcare and education as soon as possible. It is too much of a chance to presume that there must be some good people involved, given that the abuses referred to in the Ryan report were so widespread and some were so recent.
 

ajax1000

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Yeah, there is a media feeding frenzy. I guess some people just love watching and listening to victims. Others just love being victims. People are a funny lot.
 

flavirostris

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no need - the average age of a Christian Brother is probably in the 80's or even 90's - they have had no new vocations for years. The ones that taught me ın the 1980's were well into their seventies.
I thınk the Christian Brothers handed over control of all their Irish schools to the laity years ago.
 

patslatt

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no need - the average age of a Christian Brother is probably in the 80's or even 90's - they have had no new vocations for years. The ones that taught me ın the 1980's were well into their seventies.
I thınk the Christian Brothers handed over control of all their Irish schools to the laity years ago.
The horse has left the stable-for the knackers' yard!
 

flavirostris

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DS-09

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Did anybody catch the Vincent Browne show the other night on the issue?
 

Albert Aherne

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Did anybody catch the Vincent Browne show the other night on the issue?
I saw it and it was harrowing to hear poor christine Buckley describe her ordeal.....but coming back to Joe Duffy today....The poor man who described "life" at the hands of that nun in Cappaquin, Waterford (I think).I feel it's very unfair to Lesbians to hear that demented nun described as a Lesbian.She was not .Lesbians do not try to initiate a male into sexual activity.That nun was a sexualy depraved alcoholic with severe mental illness.It simply beggars belief that she was actually in charge of a school /orphanage of children.
 

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https://www.rte.ie/news/2003/1125/44573-abuse/

Tobin was born in Mitchelstown in Co Cork and joined the Irish Christian Brothers at the age of 15.

He pleaded guilty to what was described as 'a shocking litany' of sexual abuse - 23 cases of indecent assault and two of buggery.
https://rip.ie/showdn.php?dn=334903

So he is dead.

He had been living out his last days in the Christian Brothers retirement home in Baldoyle.

Buried in their cemetery.

So they didn't even kick him out of the order? :roll:
 

Lumpy Talbot

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Probably didn't want to be seen to single someone out. On a worldwide basis they are probably well in the running for most twisted catholic religious order of all time.

And this is the organisation that Cat Pox was advising on its gradual re-branding to the Edmund Rice Trust.
 

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Probably didn't want to be seen to single someone out. On a worldwide basis they are probably well in the running for most twisted catholic religious order of all time.

And this is the organisation that Cat Pox was advising on its gradual re-branding to the Edmund Rice Trust.
The saddest thing is that they started out so well - Under Edmund Rice violence was forbidden.
After his death everything changed.

'A Most Unenviable Reputation' The Christian Brothers And School Discipline Over Two Centuries
Barry M. Coldrey PH.D.
 

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There is no question that some of them were violent and abusive ¢units. I've suffered their violence. I also had many good brothers.
 

Cruimh

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There is no question that some of them were violent and abusive ¢units. I've suffered their violence. I also had many good brothers.
Have to wonder - how many of the 20th century brothers (and other orders and priests) would have joined up if they had had a free choice with reasonable alternatives. John Boyne wrote a wonderful book - A History of loneliness.
 

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How much is still outstanding to the state for their crimes against children?
 

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Sexual abuse of children[edit]
See also: Abuse by priests in Roman Catholic orders and Sexual abuse scandal in the Congregation of Christian Brothers
In the late 20th and early 21st century many cases were exposed of continuing emotional, physical and sexual abuse of children in the Christian Brothers' care over many decades. Cases emerged in Ireland, Canada, the United States, Australia and the United Kingdom.

Australia[edit]
Convicted sex-offenders in Australia include Brother Robert Best, who taught at Catholic primary and secondary schools in Ballarat, Box Hill and Geelong (all in Victoria, Australia) between the 1960s and 1980s. He was convicted by a jury after pleading guilty to more than 40 child sex offences against dozens of students, some as young as eight years old.[23] Robert Best was sentenced to fourteen years and nine months jail on August 8, 2011. Many of his victims were in court for the sentencing and shouted at him as he was led away.[24] In May 2013 the Christian Brothers admitted to Victoria's parliamentary inquiry into child abuse that they did what they could to defend members accused of sexual assault against children. They admitted to hiring a private investigator to follow one of Brother Robert Best's victims. They spent nearly A$1 million defending Best, and hundreds of thousands to defend other members also accused of rape.[25][26]

In December 2014 a royal commission found that "Christian Brothers leaders knew of allegations of sexual abuse of children at four WA orphanages and failed to manage the homes to prevent the systemic ill-treatment for decades."[27][28] The minutes of the meeting of the Christian Brothers Provincials with their lawyers on 7 December 1993 showed that the meeting was not focused on settling the proceedings; the concern was the cost, and there was no sentiment of recognising the suffering of the survivors.[29]

During the 2016 Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse in Ballarat it was found that 853 children, average age 13, had been sexually abused by one or more Christian Brothers.[30] Child abuse complaints were made against 281 Christian Brothers, and the Congregation had paid A$37.3 million in compensation.[31]

Ireland and the UK[edit]
England[edit]
In December 2012 the Christian Brothers school St Ambrose College, Altrincham, Greater Manchester, was implicated in a child sex abuse case involving teaching staff carrying out acts of abuse both on and off school grounds.[32][33]

Ireland[edit]
The Congregation of the Christian Brothers published full-page advertisements in newspapers in Ireland in March 1998, apologizing to former pupils who had been ill-treated whilst in their care. This advertising campaign expressed "deep regret" on behalf of the Christian Brothers and listed telephone lines which former pupils could ring if they needed help.[34] In 2003 the Congregation brought a case against the Commission to Inquire into Child Abuse seeking to prevent the Commission from naming brothers accused of child abuse. This case was lost in the High Court, but the congregation appealed to the Supreme Court. The appeal was dropped when the Commission agreed not to name brothers.[35] In May 2009 a report was issued by an independent government commission on child abuse committed on thousands of children in residential care institutions run by various religious institutes for the Irish state.[36] This report found that sexual abuse of boys in institutions run by the Brothers was common. In response, the Irish ecclesiastical province issued a pledge to pay 161 million euros toward a fund set up to compensate male and female victims of such abuse in both their institutions and those run by other religious institutes. As of 2013 the Christian Brothers in Ireland continued to seek out-of-court settlement for historical claims initiated by survivors of sexual assault by Brothers committed in day schools managed by the order in Ireland. Towards Healing was set up by CORI to offer therapy to survivors of clerical abuse; it is a Catholic organisation about whose independence there has been controversy. The Christian brothers in Ireland used the services of the L&P group[37] to set up an education trust, its intent being disputed by the liquidator of the Christian Brothers organisation in Canada, representing victims claiming reparations. As of December 2001 the liquidator was preparing to investigate an Irish-registered company in his search for tens of millions of pounds of the organisation’s assets.[38]

Scotland[edit]
In 2016 Fr. John Farrell, Retired priest of the Diocese of Motherwell, the last Head teacher at St Ninian's Orphanage, Falkland, Fife, was sentenced to five years imprisonment. His colleague Paul Kelly, a retired teacher from Portsmouth, was given ten years, both were convicted of the physical and sexual abuse of boys between the years 1979 and 1983. More than 100 charges involving 35 boys were made. The orphanage closed in 1983.[39]

Canada[edit]
In 1987 men came forward to say that when they were being raised in Mount Cashel Orphanage in St. John's Newfoundland, from the 1950s until the 1970s, they had suffered physical, sexual, and emotional abuse, and that when the Archdiocese became aware of the abuse, it removed brothers who were guilty of these acts, but took no other immediate action. Both the St. John's Archdiocese through the Canadian Conference of Catholic Bishops as well as the Congregation of Christian Brothers have since enacted policies aimed at the prevention of child sexual abuse.[40][41]

United States[edit]
Christian Brother Robert Brouillette, who had taught at St. Laurence High School, was arrested in April 1998 in Joliet, Illinois, for indecent solicitation of a child.[42] He was convicted in March 2000 of 10 charges related to child pornography.[43] In 2002 a civil lawsuit was filed in Cook County, Illinois, against Brouillette for sexual assault against a 21-year-old man.[44]

In 2013 the Edmund Rice Christian Brothers North American Province, known as Irish Christian Brothers, paid US$16.5 million to 400 victims of child sexual abuse across the US, and agreed to enforce a zero-tolerance policy for brothers accused of abuse. This followed the Brothers filing for bankruptcy in April 2011 following rising legal costs, leading to a reorganization settlement between creditors and the order according to the US Chapter 11 bankruptcy code

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_of_Christian_Brothers#Expansion
 
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