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Christian counselling student ordered to undergo a re-education plan.


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An American Christian student has been told she will not be permitted to graduate unless she changes her beliefs.

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But because her beliefs about sexual ethics do not conform to the prevailing views of the counselling profession, she must change or get out, official from the university have told her. She has been ordered to undergo a re-education plan involving “remediation” assignments and “diversity sensitivity training.”

She must report back on how the re-education has influenced her beliefs. If she refuses, she has been told she faces being thrown off her degree course. She has also been urged to attend a homosexual parade in Augusta.
Change your beliefs or get out, student told

An interesting story.
1) A belief in "diversity sensitivity training" and re-education are the hall marks of PC culture.
2) Link is from Catholic Ireland so we may not have the full story.
3) Can a Christain councilar be expected to put aside his/her religious views and treat the patient impartially? How would she treat a girl who had an abortion, a couple seeking divorce, person suffering depression over the death of a loved one? It is even possible to treat a person impartially?
 
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Sounds to me like she is probably a raging homophobe and the source is glossing it nicely.
 
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Change your beliefs or get out, student told

An interesting story.
1) A belief in "diversity sensitivity training" and re-education are the hall marks of PC culture.
2) Link is from Catholic Ireland so we may not have to full story.
3) Can a Christain councilar be expected to put aside his/her religious views and treat the patient impartially? How would she treat a girl who had an abortion, a couple seeking divorce, person suffering depression over the death of a loved one? It is even possible to treat a person impartially?
Would you allow a creationist to graduate in Evolutionary Biology?
 

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A federal judge today upheld Eastern Michigan University's dismissal of a graduate student who refused to "affirm homosexuality" when counseling gay students. Julea Ward's case has been a hot topic on Christianist and rightwing blogs, who maintain hers is just the latest in the homofascist campaign to stifle anti-gay dissent at the nation's universities.

In an order granting summary judgment to the university on Monday, Judge George Caram Steeh of the U.S. District Court in Detroit held that the university's requirement that the student be willing to serve people who are homosexual was reasonable, and did not amount to an infringement of the Christian student's constitutional rights to free speech and free expression of religion. The university "had a right and duty to enforce compliance" with professional ethics rules barring counselors from being intolerant or engaging in discrimination, and no reasonable person could conclude that a counseling program's requirement that students comply with such rules "conveys a message endorsing or disapproving of religion," Judge Steeh wrote.

The Alliance Defense Fund, a coalition of Christian lawyers that is helping to represent the student, Julea Ward, issued a statement on Tuesday saying it plans to appeal the judge's decision. "Christian students shouldn't be expelled for holding to and abiding by their beliefs," said David French, a senior counsel for the group, which helped out in a similar lawsuit filed against Augusta State University, in Georgia, this month.

Last year Ward refused to treat a suicidal gay student, telling fellow counselors that her religious views prevented her from helping him feel better about himself. Ward plans to become a high school counselor, if anybody will have her after this.
Full story: Joe My God - MICHIGAN: Federal Judge Upholds Dismissal Of Anti-Gay Student Counselor


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I glad of this ruling it mean that she will have to follow the ethic of the profession she is hoping to join and she will get no expectation cause of her religious beliefs also im glad because she wants to be a high school counselor can you imagine any kid going to her for advice if he or she were gay!!!!
 
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Sounds like she should be training to be a cleric rather than a counsellor.
 

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This reminds me of the freedom of conscience clause that religious conservatives wanted entered into the civil partnership bill. Surely if you're there to do a job you should do it regardless of who your customer is. Can you imagine being ping ponged around counsellors because of your race, creed or sexuality?
 

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This reminds me of the freedom of conscience clause that religious conservatives wanted entered into the civil partnership bill. Surely if you're there to do a job you should do it regardless of who your customer is. Can you imagine being ping ponged around counsellors because of your race, creed or sexuality?
But can a job like counselling be value free? Can a non-religious person opposed to abortion council a girl who is either considering an abortion or who just had an abortion? "Put the client first" sounds good but if you believe an abortion is absolutely wrong, will that not affect your therapy?

Re-education for Christians remains me of Christian treatment for homosexuality.
 

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But can a job like counseling be value free? Can a non-religious person opposed to abortion council a girl who is either considering an abortion or who just had an abortion? "Put the client first" sounds good but if you believe an abortion is absolutely wrong, will that not affect your therapy?

Re-education for Christians remains me of Christian treatment for homosexuality.
They are trained it be non judgmental, impartial and not to use their own views while counseling, what this woman is doing is trying to force them to allow her to do just that and that's wrong

As for Re-education it not to force her to accept homosexuality but to be in a frame of mind where she could council them in line with there need and also to put there in line with the professional ethics of her upcoming profession!!!!!


I want to ask you 2 thinks:

1) As a councilor do you think it was ok for her to refuse to treat a suicidal gay student, telling fellow counselors that her religious views prevented her from helping him feel better about himself

2) She plans to become a high school counselor, do you thinks she be able to council any kid going to her for advice if he or she were gay??
 
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Change your beliefs or get out, student told

An interesting story.
1) A belief in "diversity sensitivity training" and re-education are the hall marks of PC culture.
2) Link is from Catholic Ireland so we may not have the full story.
3) Can a Christain councilar be expected to put aside his/her religious views and treat the patient impartially? How would she treat a girl who had an abortion, a couple seeking divorce, person suffering depression over the death of a loved one? It is even possible to treat a person impartially?
Who said she wanted to be all things to all people? If I was a particularly Christian person, pregnant and worried, I'd rather get advice from someone similar to me - that is what a counsellor is NOT a judge or assessor of what is right or wrong.

People are different, which is something PC culture ignores entirely.
 

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'Surgeon sues for right to use blunt scalpels because of pacifist beliefs.'

Counselling is a serious profession with a body of scientific study behind it, just like any other branch of medicine. Hold all the personal beliefs you want, but if you can't treat your patient in the fashion they require then you should really find a different line of work.
 

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Counselling is a serious profession with a body of scientific study behind it, just like any other branch of medicine. Hold all the personal beliefs you want, but if you can't treat your patient in the fashion they require then you should really find a different line of work.

Exactly +100
 

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You can read the complaint made by the student here

http://www.telladf.org/userdocs/KeetonComplaint.pdf

to me the crux of the matter is summed up in this section

"Dr. Anderson-Wiley, holding her hands out to represent the two options, told
Miss Keeton that she had a choice of standing by the Bible or by the ACA Code of Ethics. Miss Keeton stated if there is no middle ground that conforms to both, her fidelity is to the Bible."

The choice this woman has made is that she will choose guidance from the bible rather than the code of ethics of the organisation she wishes to work as a part of. Of course she is fully entitled to make that choice but there are consequences to making that choice and one of those is that the professional organisation does not view this as acceptable. If you wish to work within in a certain framework you need to conform to the code of behaviour of the organisation.
 

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You can read the complaint made by the student here

http://www.telladf.org/userdocs/KeetonComplaint.pdf

to me the crux of the matter is summed up in this section

"Dr. Anderson-Wiley, holding her hands out to represent the two options, told
Miss Keeton that she had a choice of standing by the Bible or by the ACA Code of Ethics. Miss Keeton stated if there is no middle ground that conforms to both, her fidelity is to the Bible."

The choice this woman has made is that she will choose guidance from the bible rather than the code of ethics of the organisation she wishes to work as a part of. Of course she is fully entitled to make that choice but there are consequences to making that choice and one of those is that the professional organisation does not view this as acceptable. If you wish to work within in a certain framework you need to conform to the code of behaviour of the organisation.
Your comment is predicated on there being no middle ground which conforms to both. Such middle ground might include a specialism in a particular mode of counselling where the discrepancy does not arise or simple a commitment that one would not rely on their beliefs during the course of their work - whatever their personal beliefs are. It will be for a court to decide whether such a middle ground exists based on the facts presented to it. There are also other issues arising such as whether conferral of the degree automatically confers membership of the ACA on the student. If that is not the case it seems unreasonable that one would be precluded from obtaining the degree if it is not directly linked to membership of the ACA.
 

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Your comment is predicated on there being no middle ground which conforms to both. Such middle ground might include a specialism in a particular mode of counselling where the discrepancy does not arise or simple a commitment that one would not rely on their beliefs during the course of their work - whatever their personal beliefs are. It will be for a court to decide whether such a middle ground exists based on the facts presented to it.
Yes they did decide and they decided there was no middle ground ether she conforms to the professional ethics of her new profession or she goes into a new line of work!!!!
 

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Yes they did decide and they decided there was no middle ground ether she conforms to the professional ethics of her new profession or she goes into a new line of work!!!!
The OP refers to the case of Jennifer Keaton, which has not been determined by a court.
 

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The OP refers to the case of Jennifer Keaton, which has not been determined by a court.
Woops!!!!, i meant the case of Julea Ward who yesterday had her very similar case rejected by a judge!!!!!!
 

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Woops!!!!, i meant the case of Julea Ward who yesterday had her very similar case rejected by a judge!!!!!!
No worries, I had thought that might be the case.

There are a number of questions which a court would have to consider including but not limited to:

1. Whether Keeton had notice of the fact that the ACA Ethics Code was embedded into the course when she entered.
2. Whether it is possible to define a middle ground between the two. For example, a commitment that one complies with the ACA Code despite personal beliefs. It is not clear whether she was asked to comply with the code, or to reject her private personal beliefs on foot of the code. There is arguably a considerable difference.
3. Whether the degree in question confers membership of the ACA. If not, whether the University was entitled to make compliance with the code a requirement of the course.

Even if 1-3 above fail, Keeton may also have a claim against the university under a number of headings, bullying etc.

The Julea Ward case may be significant then again it may not. I'm not familiar enough with the facts of either to determine whether they are precisely the same. Beyond which, both cases were filed at a court of equal jurisdiction so we may well end up with one judge saying one thing and another saying another with the matter being settled by a superior court.
 
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More good news for Jennifer Keeton the K.K.K. supports her:

You may recall Jennifer Keeton, the counseling graduate student who refused to treat gays because "homosexuality is immoral and changeable." Keeton became the darling of the Peter LaBarberas of the haterverse when she sued Augusta State University for requiring that she undergo a remediation course on accepting gays in order to continue her education. Keeton lost that case, but while she and her attorneys at the anti-gay Alliance Defense Fund attempt an appeal, the KKK has their backs.

The Ku Klux Klan will hold a rally in support of an Augusta State University counseling student who claims her First Amendment rights were violated when the school ordered her to learn more about the homosexual community. Bobby Spurlock, Imperial Wizard Knighthawk and Grand Dragon of South Carolina and North Carolina, said today they have met with school officials and plan to protest the school’s treatment of 24-year-old Jennifer Keeton on Oct. 23 from 1 to 4 p.m. They will be in full dress and located across from the school’s main Walton Way entrance in the median at Fleming Avenue. Spurlock said they believe Keeton’s First Amendment rights were violated when the school required her to participate in a remediation program after she objected to counseling homosexuals. “It's your constitutional right so how could you tell someone you have to do something completely different?,” Spurlock said.

Peter LaBarbera and the KKK, both on the same side of hate. Feels like a perfect match.
Source: Joe my god 06/10/10 - GEORGIA: Ku Klux Klan To Rally In Support Of Anti-Gay College Student


My Comments:
1) Ha ha ha

2) Joe my God's right Peter LaBarbera (he is a well known anti gay activist) and the KKK, both on the same side of hate. it is perfect match!!!!!
 

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