Christianism - The Islamism of Christianity?

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The pejorative label: Christianism was invented by Andrew Sullivan to describe the Christian right in the United States.

Christianism

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I have a new term for those on the fringes of the religious right who have used the Gospels to perpetuate their own aspirations for power, control and oppression: Christianists. They are as anathema to true Christians as the Islamists are to true Islam.
Theologian Michael Lerner said of the Christian Right:

The unholy alliance of the Political Right and the Religious Right threatens to destroy the America we love. It also threatens to generate a revulsion against God and religion by identifying them with militarism, ecological irresponsibility, fundamentalist antagonism to science and rational thought, and insensitivity to the needs of the poor and the powerless.
Given that Christ was essentially a pacifist and a socialist, is it not time that we recognised the Christian Right, or Christianists, in the same way we do those Muslims who adhere to a similarly deviant model of Islam: Wahhabism, as Christian fundamentalists, the Islamists of Christianity?

A recent YouTube vid from a Christianist channel:

[video=youtube;5H5bS9EsNR0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H5bS9EsNR0&t=1114s[/video]
 


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The pejorative label: Christianism was invented by Andrew Sullivan to describe the Christian right in the United States.

Christianism

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Theologian Michael Lerner said of the Christian Right:



Given that Christ was essentially a pacifist and a socialist, is it not time that we recognised the Christian Right, or Christianists, in the same way we do those Muslims who adhere to a similarly deviant model of Islam: Wahhabism, as Christian fundamentalists, the Islamists of Christianity?
That is not correct.
Christ was not a socialist.
Socialism did not exist back then.
Christ had a concern for the poor and asked Christians to help the poor from their surplus income.

That Christ was a socialist is the type of rubbish peddled by the backward cardinal Bergoglio and his evil followers who seek to turn the catholic church into the new communist internationale complete with blood red flag.

Christ was not a pacifist either.
His words :
Matthew 10:34
Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Luke 12:52
From now on, five in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.
 

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology

Those lads are the Islamists of Christianity but they tend to be only Presbyterians with a handful of Reformed Baptists which is odd given how Baptists along with Jansenists were the first to call for Religious Toleration across the board.

Irish Catholicism has tended towards Political Liberalism (in the traditional meaning of that term) for a very long time now.
 

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That is not correct.
Christ was not a socialist.
Socialism did not exist back then.
Christ had a concern for the poor and asked Christians to help the poor from their surplus income.

That is the type of rubbish peddled by the hideous cardinal Bergoglio and his evil followers who seek to turn the catholic church into the new communist internationale complete with blood red flag.

Christ was not a pacifist either.
His words :
Matthew 10:34
Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword.

Luke 12:52
From now on, five in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three.
Well said FM.

The baby boomers emasculated Jesus and turned him into some free loving hippie.
 

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That is not correct.
Christ was not a socialist.
Socialism did not exist back then.
Christ had a concern for the poor and asked Christians to help the poor from their surplus income.
"All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need." (Acts 2:44-45)

Monasteries and Convents are run on essentially Socialist lines and I'm sure that you will agree with me that the integral New Testament life is only really possible in Monasticism and that even though lay people can be saved they remain second class Christians. Also St Ambrose said that God created everything in common while as sin created private property.
 

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Christ was definitely not a Pacifist though;

"But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword."

Luke 22:36.
 

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I don't know what to believe anymore.
It is fairly easy to know what to believe if you read the four gospels of the New Testament.
Christs teaching and words are laid out therein fairly clearly by all four.
If you are still uncertain read the teachings and interpretations of the RCC on the matter.

[Cautionary note : there is a serious identity problem with the current catholic papacy so exercise the utmost caution as to who you decide to listen to]
 

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It is fairly easy to know what to believe if you read the four gospels of the New Testament.
Christs teaching and words are laid out therein fairly clearly by all four.
If you are still uncertain read the teachings and interpretations of the RCC on the matter.

[Cautionary note : there is a serious identity problem with the current catholic papacy so exercise the utmost caution as to who you decide to listen to]
Ah, no need...sure, don't I have you? :)
 

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"All that believed were together, and had all things in common; And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need." (Acts 2:44-45)
Those are the acts of the apostles.
The RCC has always defended the right to private property and the private ownership of goods.
It has never set any limits on such matters either.
The rich have always been cautioned as to their responsibilities concerning their wealth.
Never has the RCC condemned ownership of great wealth as being a bad thing in itself.
To do so is of course absurd .

Monasteries and Convents are run on essentially Socialist lines and I'm sure that you will agree with me that the integral New Testament life is only really possible in Monasticism and that even though lay people can be saved they remain second class Christians.
I could not care less how monasteries or convents are run.

The majority of humans work in the world.

Catholocism is a religion for the majority of humans not for an exclusive cadre of dedicated celibates.

I reject utterly all notions of first second or any other class of Christians.

Such notions are extremely divisive.



Also St Ambrose said that God created everything in common while as sin created private property.
I totally reject that, if he ever said it in the first place, which I somehow doubt.
Post up your link .

The private ownership of goods is a core component part of catholic teaching as being an intrinsic part of the natural law and rights that all humans have.

I really believe you have St Ambrose backwards.
IINM he was a doctor of the church , if he made the statement you attributed to him then his doctorate should be removed because it is at variance with catholic teaching.
 
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There are a number of similarities between Wahhabism and the American Christian Right (ACR). However, I don't think any ACR leader has sanctioned the killing of members of other Christian sects.....?
 

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The pejorative label: Christianism was invented by Andrew Sullivan to describe the Christian right in the United States.

Christianism

Sullivan wrote:



Theologian Michael Lerner said of the Christian Right:



Given that Christ was essentially a pacifist and a socialist, is it not time that we recognised the Christian Right, or Christianists, in the same way we do those Muslims who adhere to a similarly deviant model of Islam: Wahhabism, as Christian fundamentalists, the Islamists of Christianity?

A recent YouTube vid from a Christianist channel:

[video=youtube;5H5bS9EsNR0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H5bS9EsNR0&t=1114s[/video]
The American right is resembling Sharia Law supporting Salafish-Wahabbi ideals more and more every day.
 

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Seems like it would take alot of time. Plus, I love rashers and might want to go to the States someday.

Would you have anything low on guilt, effort and temperance...but I can fit into a busy work schedule?
 

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For as I know, Christ claimed to be the Way, the Truth and the Life. "No man cometh to the Father except through me." That is a far more extensive claim than mere adherence to pacifism or socialism.

US Evangelicals are more of a mixed bag than is ever realised. Some for example do not believe it is ever correct for a Christian to get mixed up in pushing a formal political agenda because Christ said "My Kingdom is not of this world". You would need to specify which Christian Evangelicals you are talking about, because there are numerous shades of opinion. They are not "lump Christian".
 

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The majority of humans work in the world.

Catholocism is a religion for the majority of humans not for an exclusive cadre of dedicated celibates.

I reject utterly all notions of first second or any other class of Christians.

Such notions are extremely divisive.

It is the type of rubbish cardinal Bergoglio and his bullies exploit on a daily basis.
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Here we go with again with your utterly bourgeois pseudo-egalitarianism worthy of the likes of Cruimh. Cardinal Bergoglio believes in pandering to the vulgar masses. The fact is though they are Catholic lay people are not integrally Catholic the way that Monks and Nuns are who live a fully Catholic life which is almost impossible to do when you are caught up in the world. Therefore they count for much more than lay people. Of course the Catholic Church opposes theft however I don't see how you can make out that Socialism is not superior to Capitalism given how one corresponds both to the Apostolic era Church and Monasticism much more than the other does. Socialism and Feudalism are much more suited Christianity than is the Liberal Democratic Capitalism which you support.
 

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Insane thread-attempt to conflate the two is sub-Dawkins drivel but par for the course from the Libloon mindset. I know,I'm a religious nut racist xenephobe. No just a zzzenephobe.
 

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Seems like it would take alot of time. Plus, I love rashers and might want to go to the States someday.

Would you have anything low on guilt, effort and temperance...but I can fit into a busy work schedule?
Muslims believe in one, unique, incomparable God, Who has no son nor partner, and that none has the right to be worshipped but Him alone.

Islam rejects that God rested on the seventh day of the creation, that He wrestled with one of His prophets or that He is incarnate in any human being.

Islam also rejects the attribution of any human form to God. All of these are considered blasphemous.

God is the Exalted. He is far removed from every imperfection. He never becomes weary. He does not become drowsy nor does he sleep.

Do you have problems with any of these?
 


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