Civil Disobedience - Is it an option?

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To counter the outright thievery of the Irish people, regarding the banks and NAMA and the generations that will have to pay for their and FF/PDs mess and the current corrupt government (namely FF), is Civil Disobedience in the form of non-payment of taxes an option?

Now i realise, in part, the result of mass non-payment of taxes (where that the case) but something has to be done so that government and banks get the message. "NOT IN MY NAME"


If not what are the other options of civil disobedience and what effects might they have? Would they work or not? Is there support for such action, considering the widespread anger in the country?

In short i think it is high time that we, as a people, should peacefully protest and call on this government to step down and call a GE.
 
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To counter the outright thievery of the Irish people, regarding the banks and NAMA and the generations that will have to pay for their and FF/PDs mess, is Civil Disobedience in the form of non-payment of taxes an option?

Now i realise, in part, the result of mass non-payment of taxes (where that the case) but something has to be done so that government and banks get the message. "NOT IN MY NAME"


If not what are the other options of civil disobedience and what effects might they have? Would they work or not? Is there support for such action, considering the widespread anger in the country?
Goes against the grain. We've always obeyed the elite in this country. Would love to see it happen but.
 
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something simpler then? Let's face they can't afford to put thousands of people in gaol (depending of course on popular support)
 

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What is your alternative plan? You have to have an alternative option that you think is better to base a protest on.
 
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I'm asking because i don't know. It appears prudent to stop paying taxes (to me that is) as a direct course of action against government policy.
 

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I have a question along these lines

- is it illegal to encourage others to spoil their vote in a general election?
 

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What is your alternative plan? You have to have an alternative option that you think is better to base a protest on.
I don't think that's necessarily true. Most educated people realise that economies go through boom & bust periods & that at some stage tough decisions have to be made. If this was just a simple recession there wouldn't be the sense of anger around that there is. Individuals with names & addresses, rather than simply market forces took decisions which caused the collapse. Protests could be based on the fact that those individuals are not being made to suffer for their crimes.

Whatever happens & whoever is in power after the next election times will continue to be tough. Most people accept this. That state of affairs would be much easier to swallow however if it were not for the knowledge that Fitzpatrick et al will almost certainly get off scot free.
 

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To counter the outright thievery of the Irish people, regarding the banks and NAMA and the generations that will have to pay for their and FF/PDs mess and the current corrupt government (namely FF), is Civil Disobedience in the form of non-payment of taxes an option?
Its difficult to astain from paying income tax when its stopped at source by your employer. As such his type of action would therefore be restricted to the self employed.
 
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Its difficult to astain from paying income tax when its stopped at source by your employer. As such his type of action would therefore be restricted to the self employed.
I did have a question like that in the original version of the post but edited it (?!?)

Can PAYE workers stop their employer taking it at source?
 

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That state of affairs would be much easier to swallow however if it were not for the knowledge that Fitzpatrick et al will almost certainly get off scot free.

That is one of the fundamental aspects of all this, there is a real sense of helplessness among the populace that the movers and shakers where free to do what they did with what seems to be complete immunity. Ordinary workers are now being asked to cough up and the average citizen is being asked to do with less in terms of Public Service delivery.

The hypocrisy is staggering but most people just shrug their shoulders and say ‘what can we do’ and bury their anger. The Government knows this.
 

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I did have a question like that in the original version of the post but edited it (?!?)

Can PAYE workers stop their employer taking it at source?
Yeah with a shot gun. How do you avoid paying VAT?
 

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That is one of the fundamental aspects of all this, there is a real sense of helplessness among the populace that the movers and shakers where free to do what they did with what seems to be complete immunity. Ordinary workers are now being asked to cough up and the average citizen is being asked to do with less in terms of Public Service delivery.

The hypocrisy is staggering but most people just shrug their shoulders and say ‘what can we do’ and bury their anger. The Government knows this.
+1

There has to be something that the average joe can do?
 

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Should I destroy my home? throw garbage around my neighbourhood? refuse to pay my tax so there's no money for PS?
 

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Next year we have a presidential election. Boycott it. Make it the lowest turnout ever. It doesn't matter who wins and we will have sent a message. A small step but legal and cost free.
 

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Next year we have a presidential election. Boycott it. Make it the lowest turnout ever. It doesn't matter who wins and we will have sent a message. A small step but legal and cost free.
In that case our masters will just think we're apathetic, which will delight them. A far better solution would be for as many people as possible to turn out but in the likely absence of anything but clapped out donkeys being put out to pasture on the voting form we should all write in a brief message to those in power, explaining that since Ireland is no longer a republic, but essentially a feudal state, there is no point in actually voting for any of the presidential candidates. If enough people did that it would surely cause a stir. Probably no more than that though.
 

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I have an option, but you do not talk about it....

 

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boycott business' owned by FF/GREEN politicians families and known suporters hit them in the pocket it the only thing they understand
 


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