Civil Marriage, convalidation and the Roman Catholic Church


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Apr 30, 2010
Too much of a tendency to interfere in state affairs has been the downfall of the RCC. They should maintain a radical separation from state powers.
That is the issue. The book on the Philippines was fascinating on this point. The interplay between Church and Marcos, Aquino, Arroyo etc. EDSA 1 and EDSA 2. The inability to maintain solidarity and deliver decisions by the CBCP (Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines). The Interplay between the Local Power - in this case the CBPC and the Vatican/Papal Nuncio. The attempts by the Civil Powers to influence the Church - in some cases by fair means, in other by Bribery - there was a Brown envelope scandal for example , or the gifting to certain important Bishops of SUVs.

There has long been a conflict in the Church as to its role.

There has been a tendency to see the world as needing a Catholic Umma, with the Church overseeing any civil government. Others in the Church have advised a separation, rendering unto Caesar. Plenty of encyclicals discussing how society should be organised. "Faith and Morality" is supposedly Church business, but delineating a border between Church and State is not easy.

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