Clinton 2008

ThirdWay001

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Kerry was a bad candidate they will need a miracle for 2008, one thing is for sure Hillary definitly will not get nominated.

Does anyone really think they will even bother given how hated she is in the south?
 


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Does anyone really think they will even bother given how hated she is in the south?
Is she? I thought she was quite liked for the fact that she stuck to american "family values" and stuck by her husband. I remember reading in Time how this had earned major Southern kudos
 

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According to some, the dumb white males down south are intimidated by her.

Secondly they didn't like her health plan as it was "socialised medicine" and to quote one dem-rep "too complex for the dumbass men in congress to understand so they just opposed it"
 

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Isnt there already a post today on pretty much the same topic?
Im not complaing, just saying so that you all can see it :cool:
 

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Does anyone realistically think she has a chance of getting the nomination ahead of Warner? He's the typical Democrat, southern governor, probably a rascist, thats what the democrats like, not some whingeing New York female Senator!

If there's going to be a woman, surely it'll be Rice; Cheney to kick the bucket in '07 and Rice to get his job and be set up for a tilt at the big one.
 

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Pidge said:
I thought she was quite liked for the fact that she stuck to american "family values" and stuck by her husband. I remember reading in Time how this had earned major Southern kudos
Actually, she was hated in the South during her time as First Lady.

She refused to fulfill the Stepford Wives/Wysteria Lane image that women love down there- ie. stay at home and make cookies for Bill and Chelsea.

Instead, she (along with Gore) were the driving force behind Clinton's white house
 

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Gladstone said:
She also had her office in the west wing, 20 of her own staff and ran a taskforce on healthcare reform
Incidentally, Hilary's healthcare reform agenda was one of the great disasters of Clinton's term in office
 

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No in fact it was the way they managed it's PR.

They couldn't compete with the republicans who portrayed it as full of red tape and lacking in choice, then some democrats lost their nerve and started offering compteting plans (the clinton plan was compulsory insurance I think many wanted single payer like Canada)

She says now that phased introduction of Universal Healthcare is the only way that they were trying to ram too much change down the system too fast....in fact in such an effort shes teamed up with none other than...Newt Gingrich :shock:
 

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Supposidly J Kerry kept his campaign team and really believes he came within a whisker last time. If he goes again people will call it 'gutsy' and he'll get a lot of respect.... I think he could be the man next time out. Hilary Clinton would not be my cup of tea at all
 

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He lost by 3 million popular votes and couldn't co-ordinate a clear message.

Not that Hillary Would be any more clear with her dash to the centre.

They tried the centre with Gore they won but didn't take the Presidency
They tried the centre with Keryy and lost
They tried the left with Dukkas and Mondale and lost by landslide.

The only time they won was when they had a democrat who focused on domestic issues and when there was no National security threat (bILL cLINTON) Maybe this is why Hillary Is so hawkish on forign policy?
 

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but next time he will have a better established profile and wont be running against an incumbent. Also GWB is having a horrid second term so there may be an appetite for change and america isn't as hawkish as it was 2 years ago
 

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Good points but I think even the democrats felt he was not their best candidate.
 

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Clinton ticket isn't so unreasonable...

Can anything more be written about her, and are the American Public able to stomach such a dirty tricks campaign been waged against a woman?

Even with Kerry on the ticket, she still out polled him, in some of the opinion polls I've seen.

There is the novelty factor, a woman candidate.

Plus Youth/Black vote/Women vote/Liberal vote is a very strong group to build a base from.
 

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Kerry lost Ohio by 250,000 votes.

So ,he lost it by Ohio not by 3 million votes.

It's an electoral college not a populist vote folks. Bush winning Texas by a landslide didn't/doesn't him more votes that winning it by a whisker.
 

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and wouldn't President Kerry have been in an akward position as a democrat who won the electoral vote and lost the popular vote?
 


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