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clondalkin - Siac gets go ahead


MrD011

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An Bord Pleanala has given Siac Construction the go ahead to build 350 apartments up to 8 stories high on the lands of their Head Office Building on the Monastery Road Clondalkin despite strong appeals from locals , councillors and TDs .

In their Judgement An Bord Pleanala described it as "an appropriate development" for the site.

my questions are these .

1) I live in the area and know that any schools and shops are a considerable distance from the site , therefore how could it be described as "appropriate" .

2) who are going to live in these apartments . will it be more Foreign workers .

3) Is the government putting pressure on the Bord to look favourably on large scale property developments in order to get money in the kitty.
 

Limerick Lad

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An Bord Pleanala has given Siac Construction the go ahead to build 350 apartments up to 8 stories high on the lands of their Head Office Building on the Monastery Road Clondalkin despite strong appeals from locals , councillors and TDs .

In their Judgement An Bord Pleanala described it as "an appropriate development" for the site.

my questions are these .

1) I live in the area and know that any schools and shops are a considerable distance from the site , therefore how could it be described as "appropriate" .

2) who are going to live in these apartments . will it be more Foreign workers .

3) Is the government putting pressure on the Bord to look favourably on large scale property developments in order to get money in the kitty.
What difference does it make who might be the potential residents of the proposed apartments, are you suggesting that the possibility of foreign working residing in a development should be grounds to refuse planning permission.
 

meriwether

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We should put the empty houses in Leitrim on a trailer, and move them aornd the country where housing is required.

I have long advocated merging ghost estates from Tullamore, Ballyhaunis and Cobh together to make the Childrens hospital.

No one is listening though.
 

firefly123

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We should put the empty houses in Leitrim on a trailer, and move them aornd the country where housing is required.

I have long advocated merging ghost estates from Tullamore, Ballyhaunis and Cobh together to make the Childrens hospital.

No one is listening though.
Nonsense! We should be selling chunks of genuine Irish ghost estate to our diaspora as part of the gathering. We can get employment by having lazy spongers who clearly love being unemployed paint little leprechaun foot prints on the chunks of pyrite tainted masonry.
 

MrD011

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What difference does it make who might be the potential residents of the proposed apartments, are you suggesting that the possibility of foreign working residing in a development should be grounds to refuse planning permission.
why allow 350 apartments be built when there is no demand from locals for them ? I dont know many people who have the cash nowadays to buy an apartment to live in , the only conclusion is that they will be built to house foreign workers
 

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why allow 350 apartments be built when there is no demand from locals for them ? I dont know many people who have the cash nowadays to buy an apartment to live in , the only conclusion is that they will be built to house foreign workers
Who will buy them? You're not suggesting that the foreigners are bringing money into the state and purchasing property and then working here and paying tax whilst buying goods and services. Oh noes!
 

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why allow 350 apartments be built when there is no demand from locals for them ? I dont know many people who have the cash nowadays to buy an apartment to live in , the only conclusion is that they will be built to house foreign workers
Do the "locals" collectively own that piece of land? If not then its none of their concern whats built there on what is private property. If they have a problem, then they should sue for loss of property value, that is assuming the development has that effect, which it more than likely wont.

Ever hear of a thing called Private property?
 

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Who will buy them? You're not suggesting that the foreigners are bringing money into the state and purchasing property and then working here and paying tax whilst buying goods and services. Oh noes!
I wouldnt expect him to understand basic economics, for starters, he clearly doesnt understand the law of supply and demand.
 

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Do the "locals" collectively own that piece of land? If not then its none of their concern whats built there on what is private property. If they have a problem, then they should sue for loss of property value, that is assuming the development has that effect, which it more than likely wont.

Ever hear of a thing called Private property?
That's complete nonsense. If a developer decides to build an incinerator or a slaughterhouse next door to you, in your opinion, you should have no say in whether its built or not. If he decides to build an 8 storie apt. Block that puts your house in darkness you should not object because its private property. What planet are you living on?
 

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why allow 350 apartments be built when there is no demand from locals for them ? I dont know many people who have the cash nowadays to buy an apartment to live in , the only conclusion is that they will be built to house foreign workers
...you've started dreaming of a 'white' Christmas a little early this year....
 

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That's complete nonsense. If a developer decides to build an incinerator or a slaughterhouse next door to you, in your opinion, you should have no say in whether its built or not. If he decides to build an 8 storie apt. Block that puts your house in darkness you should not object because its private property. What planet are you living on?
You could sue for loss of property value beforehand, since the effect on property values would be immediate once a development such as an incinerator is announced.
 

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Who will buy them? You're not suggesting that the foreigners are bringing money into the state
I'm suggesting that while most of the native population are being locked out of the workplace and remain on the Dole , Foreign workers are being brought into to work for slave wages , these foreign workers often apartment share and would be more than happy to rent the apartments which will be either owned by Siac or the wealthy Irish property investor who will add them to their portfolio of properties.
 

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I'm suggesting that while most of the native population are being locked out of the workplace and remain on the Dole , Foreign workers are being brought into to work for slave wages , these foreign workers often apartment share and would be more than happy to rent the apartments which will be either owned by Siac or the wealthy Irish property investor who will add them to their portfolio of properties.
Do you understand what the word 'most' means?
 
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That's complete nonsense. If a developer decides to build an incinerator or a slaughterhouse next door to you, in your opinion, you should have no say in whether its built or not. If he decides to build an 8 storie apt. Block that puts your house in darkness you should not object because its private property. What planet are you living on?
that would not be in keeping with good property rights , or would give an indication that the area is so chaotic that one would be stupid to live there. My house was built before the "modern" planning laws were implemented and I was looking at the deeds, the whole area has very specific uses, and what activities can be carried on.
 

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That's complete nonsense. If a developer decides to build an incinerator or a slaughterhouse next door to you, in your opinion, you should have no say in whether its built or not. If he decides to build an 8 storie apt. Block that puts your house in darkness you should not object because its private property. What planet are you living on?
Seems to me he is more concerned about the contents of the apartment than the apartments themselves. I don't think that's really a sound basis of lodging an objection.
 

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why allow 350 apartments be built when there is no demand from locals for them ? I dont know many people who have the cash nowadays to buy an apartment to live in , the only conclusion is that they will be built to house foreign workers
It's not the concern of ABP whether the apartments can be sold or not.
 

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You could sue for loss of property value beforehand, since the effect on property values would be immediate once a development such as an incinerator is announced.
It's not all about money. I doubt you'd win anyway. An Bord P. have given permission for this so I reckon it would be just tough on you. People have a right to object even if its private property. Your neighbour could put up any monstrosity otherwise. You wouldn't want that, surely?
 

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Seems to me he is more concerned about the contents of the apartment than the apartments themselves. I don't think that's really a sound basis of lodging an objection.
If that's his real concern, he needs to cop on.
 

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It's not all about money. I doubt you'd win anyway. An Bord P. have given permission for this so I reckon it would be just tough on you. People have a right to object even if its private property. Your neighbour could put up any monstrosity otherwise. You wouldn't want that, surely?
Restrictive covenants would deal with that problem, see Dylan2010s post.
 

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Do the "locals" collectively own that piece of land? If not then its none of their concern whats built there on what is private property.
A contender for ridiculous post of the day. There is a collective ownership of the environment and everyone is entitled to give their views on buildings that impact on that environment. Private ownership is not and should be absolute.
 
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