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Coalition at war over USC increase


ticketyboo

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Front page of Sunday Times, today, 25th November.
If anything points up the rank rotten nature of the Fine Gael party, then this does.
The thrust of the story is that Labour, in a casual allusion to their working class roots, have proposed an increase in USC for workers earning over €100,000 euro per annum. Why that figure? Methinks they're reading the Sinn Fein website.
The larger government partner apparently have returned serve with a volley that they will then target social welfare. What, tell me in the name of suffering Christ have social welfare recipients done that they should be targeted by Fine Gael in this way.
Without resorting to Godwin's, it's not up there with the Nazis policy of wiping out the village when they were attacked by the Free French or the partizans,but you see the mindset in play here. You attack our guys, we attack your guys (stifles a laugh). For the nth time, I can't explain why, aside from arithmetical purposes, Labour are in coalition with these guys.
 

seabhcan

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Front page of Sunday Times, today, 25th November.
If anything points up the rank rotten nature of the Fine Gael party, then this does.
The thrust of the story is that Labour, in a casual allusion to their working class roots, have proposed an increase in USC for workers earning over €100,000 euro per annum. Why that figure? Methinks they're reading the Sinn Fein website.
The larger government partner apparently have returned serve with a volley that they will then target social welfare. What, tell me in the name of suffering Christ have social welfare recipients done that they should be targeted by Fine Gael in this way.
Without resorting to Godwin's, it's not up there with the Nazis policy of wiping out the village when they were attacked by the Free French or the partizans,but you see the mindset in play here. You attack our guys, we attack your guys (stifles a laugh). For the nth time, I can't explain why, aside from arithmetical purposes, Labour are in coalition with these guys.
I'd like to see a more reliable source than the Sunday Times.
 

Estragon

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Get the name right. There is nothing remotely social about this charge. It's the Bank Gambling Balls-up Tax.
 

wombat

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I can't explain why, aside from arithmetical purposes, Labour are in coalition with these guys.
To get some of their policies implemented now rather than staying ideologically pure until the people decide to agree with them?
 

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Nothing to do with the SF website i'd say. 100k is a nice round figure, that is used by most
people to indicate those on high incomes. By the way, there are probably many one income families on around 100k who are actually struggling, particularly if they bought property around the peak of the bubble.
 

APettigrew92

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The thrust of the story is that Labour, in a casual allusion to their working class roots, have proposed an increase in USC for workers earning over €100,000 euro per annum.
You answered the following question above.


For the nth time, I can't explain why, aside from arithmetical purposes, Labour are in coalition with these guys.
Labour are in it for their own monetary gain, not for the Working Class.

My local TD hasn't been seen once in his local constituency since the election. Even Paschal has been doing the rounds.

The Truth is that the gombeens running Labour have turned the rudder in direction of Centre-Right Politics.

Labour are not in Government to protect the vulnerable. They are, after all, pushing up Uni Fees by €250 next year.

They are not here to promote feminism either. Handing your wife a created job without any competition can really only be considered quite sexist, as it implies she can't compete in the real world.

Labour are a joke. Their survival in the next election is predecided.

With morons like Rabitte, Reilly and Gilmore, they will be lucky to get half the seats they got last year.
 

Ribeye

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Animal Farm

Oink:)
 

Spanner Island

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To get some of their policies implemented now rather than staying ideologically pure until the people decide to agree with them?
I hope they enjoy themselves before they go the way of the PD's and Greens before them...
 

ergo2

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OK, there is disagreement between FG and Labour over a budget item. Why do some in the press hype this to "war"?
 

Spanner Island

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Front page of Sunday Times, today, 25th November.
If anything points up the rank rotten nature of the Fine Gael party, then this does.
The thrust of the story is that Labour, in a casual allusion to their working class roots, have proposed an increase in USC for workers earning over €100,000 euro per annum. Why that figure? Methinks they're reading the Sinn Fein website.
The larger government partner apparently have returned serve with a volley that they will then target social welfare. What, tell me in the name of suffering Christ have social welfare recipients done that they should be targeted by Fine Gael in this way.
Without resorting to Godwin's, it's not up there with the Nazis policy of wiping out the village when they were attacked by the Free French or the partizans,but you see the mindset in play here. You attack our guys, we attack your guys (stifles a laugh). For the nth time, I can't explain why, aside from arithmetical purposes, Labour are in coalition with these guys.
We're all in this together and to date neither the 'establishment' nor those on welfare and benefits have contributed much to getting us out of the hole.

Middle Ireland are the ones getting screwed relentlessly...

It's about time the rest made a contribution.
 

brughahaha

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If its not in the Irish Times, the Labour Party doesn't believe it
No, in fairness they will accept the RTE newsroom as a slightly lesser alternative
 

brughahaha

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OK, there is disagreement between FG and Labour over a budget item. Why do some in the press hype this to "war"?
Because it highlights the serious ideological differences and cracks that no programmefor Government is going to paper over and has in the first 18 months resulted in a push me-pull me stalemate of inaction in reforming the country ( except of course the agreement that we MUST pay who the EU tell us to pay)
 

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Oink oink!
 

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Because it highlights the serious ideological differences and cracks that no programmefor Government is going to paper over and has in the first 18 months resulted in a push me-pull me stalemate of inaction in reforming the country ( except of course the agreement that we MUST pay who the EU tell us to pay)
The only serious ideological differences at play here are those between the Labour Party in opposition and the Labour Party in government.
 

Politics matters

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You answered the following question above.




Labour are in it for their own monetary gain, not for the Working Class.

My local TD hasn't been seen once in his local constituency since the election. Even Paschal has been doing the rounds.

The Truth is that the gombeens running Labour have turned the rudder in direction of Centre-Right Politics.

Labour are not in Government to protect the vulnerable. They are, after all, pushing up Uni Fees by €250 next year.

They are not here to promote feminism either. Handing your wife a created job without any competition can really only be considered quite sexist, as it implies she can't compete in the real world.

Labour are a joke. Their survival in the next election is predecided.

With morons like Rabitte, Reilly and Gilmore, they will be lucky to get half the seats they got last year.
It is 250 this year but in a few short years fees will be introduced!!!!
 

Politics matters

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We're all in this together and to date neither the 'establishment' nor those on welfare and benefits have contributed much to getting us out of the hole.

Middle Ireland are the ones getting screwed relentlessly...

It's about time the rest made a contribution.
Increasing USC on those over 100k is far more progressive once they have done that they can move down the income ladder.
 

Red_93

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Labour are in it for their own monetary gain, not for the Working Class.
Unfortunately true in many instances.
My local TD hasn't been seen once in his local constituency since the election. Even Paschal has been doing the rounds.
Good. He should be off legislating, not running a citizens' information service.
The Truth is that the gombeens running Labour have turned the rudder in direction of Centre-Right Politics.

Labour are not in Government to protect the vulnerable. They are, after all, pushing up Uni Fees by €250 next year.

They are not here to promote feminism either. Handing your wife a created job without any competition can really only be considered quite sexist, as it implies she can't compete in the real world.
I'm sorry but that is the must idiotic thing I have ever heard. You manage to construe Mrs Gilmore's redeployment (on the same salary as she was previously with her vast experience in the area of education), which had nothing to do with Gilmore or labour, as somehow being sexist. Christ.
 

brughahaha

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Unfortunately true in many instances.

Good. He should be off legislating, not running a citizens' information service.

I'm sorry but that is the must idiotic thing I have ever heard. You manage to construe Mrs Gilmore's redeployment (on the same salary as she was previously with her vast experience in the area of education), which had nothing to do with Gilmore or labour, as somehow being sexist. Christ.
Yes because Gilmore would never continually endorse a person who has been consitently rejected bybthe electorate ,yet is a permanent fixture on the media as a spokesperson and in paid public positions ....... Cough bacik cough

Gilmore is an old fashioned sticky who believes public funds can be spent by the leader as he sees fit. Because what he deems good for the people , by that virtue becomes good for the people

Im astonished to find myself detesting Gilmore even more than Kenny , Reilly or Creighton after 18 months
 
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