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Collusion, The truth about Eire's support for the IRA.


death or glory

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Newrybhoy

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If you seriously equate the DUP - the largest Unionist party in the North which is totally opposed to the GFA and determined to undermine it - with all the Nationalist parties in the North, all of them supporting and protecting the GFA - then you will quickly see why your opinions such as "ah shure beJaysus, they're all as bad as each udder" on this Forum are considered worthless.

Bearing in mind the GFA is a Peace Treaty this is about as fundamental as it gets in terms of keeping the fragile peace in the North.
There is absolutely no equivalence between those who are determined to undermine this - and those who are protecting it.
None.
Period.

You are evidently even unaware that Simon Coveney - our Foreign Minister - has stated publicly that he does not see the problem of getting Stormont back up and running as the fault of the Shinners or with any other Nationalist party in the North.

When you have FG defending SF - and directly contradicting opinions such as yours - then you will know your opinion is just sooooo far out there.
Did the Germans and the Japanese have a "peace treaty" with the Allies?

The PIRA surrendered disarmed and disbanded. (Allegedly)

They've now decided the deal they got isn't enough and are seeking to change it.

End of.
 

AhNowStop

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It is very clear from this thread that NI should just be allowed govern themselves. A UI is probably the worst thing that could happen to Ireland 26 or 32. The hatred and negativity is astounding. If you dont 100% agree with any of them, nationalist or unionist, you are an idiot gobshyte who understands nothing. Of course, you also become someone else they can blame.

Its an ungovernable wasteland rendered as such by the bitterness exuding from each one of them.

Enjoy your wallow lads.
You were given ample opportunity to address the points made to you in opposition of your idiotic knowledge-less stock position of "both sides are as bad as each other" ... the fact that you have decided NOT to address these points and run off like a huffing child speaks volumes..

missing you already ;)
 

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Did the Germans and the Japanese have a "peace treaty" with the Allies?

The PIRA surrendered disarmed and disbanded. (Allegedly)

They've now decided the deal they got isn't enough and are seeking to change it.

End of.

typical looney crackpot loyalist lies & subterfuge .... blame themuns for what we're doing :rolleyes: .. sooooo predictable
 

rem81

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Did the Germans and the Japanese have a "peace treaty" with the Allies?

The PIRA surrendered disarmed and disbanded. (Allegedly)

They've now decided the deal they got isn't enough and are seeking to change it.

End of.
Newry is quite an intellectual PUL and an exception to the Nolan show fleggers
 

rem81

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typical looney crackpot loyalist lies & subterfuge .... blame themuns for what we're doing :rolleyes: .. sooooo predictable
Agreed fellow shinner. These orange planter lads project their deranged actions onto us proud Irishmen. Never trust a luther loving presby right footer.... only our religion is truth my fellow nationalist. Free and green
 

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I assure you, the Army was anything but exhausted by the time the Peace process started (major units were averaging one tour every 24 months for example) and could have carried on the tempo of operations indefinitely if required. NI was ingrained into the Army's pattern of operations and the disruption caused to other commitments was factored in and easily managed.
Well I suppose at that time the opportunity to terrify natives in far flung corners of the " Empire" had diminished somewhat, leaving more time to sort out paddy, old chap!!
 

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The Irish state govts during the mid century were clearly sneaking regarders at the very least, and likely worse behind the scenes.

This is down to the malign influence of the Fianna Fail party.

Remember, it was the Fianna Fail party who drafted the 1937 constitution which renamed the state "Ireland", claimed NI and tore up the Anglo Irish treaty.

It would be helpful if our northern friends resisted tarring all southerners with the brush of Fianna Failure-ism.
Toilet, F OFF
 

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That's almost childlike in its misunderstanding of how things work up here.
For a start: the queen shovels money at us? Ffs?
She has nothing to do with the UK exchequer, or any other aspect of government, except perhaps nominally.
Secondly nobody shovels much money in our direction these days. Waiting lists in the NHS are at crisis level, there's a growing shortage GPs, particularly in rural areas, and road and other infrastructure defects are not being attended to. Most people are not well off. Around 60% of the population have savings of £100 or less, and even though unemployment is very low now, a large percentage of people who are employed work in dead end minimum wage jobs in retail - if they are lucky as full timers, and if not, on zero hour contracts.
Your understanding of why we have no government is also woefully simplistic. The original problem arose as a result of the latest in a litany of scandals involving the DUP, and due to their refusal to accept responsibility for their role in it, and just as that row was brewing on, but before the Assembly fell, a DUP minister retaliated by withdrawing Irish language funding for schoolkids, which created huge anger among even very moderate nationalists because of the intentional nasty vindictiveness. The DUP had been behaving contemptuously toward the Irish language for decades but this was clearly a deliberate abuse of power and though emblematic, was the final straw. (Sinn Fein had been promised an Irish Language Act in 2006 as one of the terms of the St Andrews Agreement and this had been reneged upon.) Though the language issue is seen as largely symbolic, it takes on a greater significance far beyond its actual importance, as it plays into the parity of esteem narrative for nationalists. So, once the gauntlet had been thrown down, Sinn Fein had little choice but to react and make it one of its red lines in the ensuing election.
I should add that I'm not a SF supporter and gave my vote to the SDLP in that particular election.
You do of course realise you're not exactly dealing with an Intellectual colossus with poor oul Watcher.
 

Newrybhoy

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Nothing to with Loyalists or the Duppers then, well played Newry!
They didn't blow NI to bits and take industrialists hostage.

They didn't put the running of the country on hold to whinge about a language no one needs to communicate.
 

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They didn't blow NI to bits and take industrialists hostage.

They didn't put the running of the country on hold to whinge about a language no one needs to communicate.

The North is a zone carved out of Ireland and forced into existence by British and Unionist terrorism and violence - it's part of a country - Ireland - but the Northern zone is not a country in itself.
Never was.
Never will be.


No Unionist veto - nor even a provision for re-partition - sold down the river at the GFA.
Nothing - nothing - you can do to change that.
 

Newrybhoy

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The North is a zone carved out of Ireland and forced into existence by British and Unionist terrorism and violence - it's part of a country - Ireland - but the Northern zone is not a country in itself.
Never was.
Never will be.


No Unionist veto - nor even a provision for re-partition - sold down the river at the GFA.
Nothing - nothing - you can do to change that.
We'll see.
 

Estragon

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We'll see.
Who do you think is going to fight to keep two and half counties in the UK?

There's the mount Vernon lads, but they'll be dealt with Sri Lankan civil war style.
 

Newrybhoy

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Who do you think is going to fight to keep two and half counties in the UK?

There's the mount Vernon lads, but they'll be dealt with Sri Lankan civil war style.
Who said anything about keeping two and a half counties?
 

NMunsterman

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Who said anything about keeping two and a half counties?
Chill.
You can't even get a flag up a pole on Belfast City Hall on your own terms - such is your impotence.

For your own sake, keep your objectives realistic.
Start with the flag on Belfast City Hall - and advise us when you have it back up on exclusively Unionist terms.
 

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