Collusion - The truth comes slowly

raetsel

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Is that just like yourself a sneaky regarder who knew who was in the RA in your community but did nothing to help the RUC catch or importantly arrest these terrorists, as Fermanagh was full of Reb Terrorists and youse went to Chapel, played Gaa and socialised alongside them.
DOG, for a start, I only moved here as the Troubles were ending. I never knew who was in the IRA and who wasn't. I might have had my suspicions but those were based upon rumours and if a middle-class blow-in to Enniskillen like myself heard the rumours, then you can be sure the RUC knew of them as well. Rumours are not evidence.
Secondly I am an atheist, so I have a very enjoyable lie in on a Sunday morning. Thirdly I haven't played Gaelic football in 50 years. Finally I have never socialised with anyone who was in the IRA.
But you do, by your own admission, socialise with admirers of serial killers.
 


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You wonder why theres banners in loyalist areas supporting British soldiers, when as Jim Allister says in today's Newsletter that here are illegal monuments to Reb terrorists in nearly every Reb estate and the PSNI said they would not intervene where it did not cause a breach of the peace.
Also on the main bypass in Omagh there is a 1916 banner flying, no one was questioned about it and there are many 1916 society banners on the road to the head of the town in Strabane.
These are more insulting than one's supporting British soldiers.
That all depends on whether a member of your family was murdered by them.
I support taking them all down, and criminalising the practice. Do you?
 

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The Gaa or some of them engaged in terrorism. To lie and pretend that is not the case is not just sectarian, it is wilfully dishonesty regarding some wicked crimes and is wicked in itself.
I think it is common knowledge that some GAA players were involved in terrorism. To lie and deny that would meet the criteria for all of those.
See, I have no problem acknowledging that.
 

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DOG, for a start, I only moved here as the Troubles were ending. I never knew who was in the IRA and who wasn't. I might have had my suspicions but those were based upon rumours and if a middle-class blow-in to Enniskillen like myself heard the rumours, then you can be sure the RUC knew of them as well. Rumours are not evidence.
Secondly I am an atheist, so I have a very enjoyable lie in on a Sunday morning. Thirdly I haven't played Gaelic football in 50 years. Finally I have never socialised with anyone who was in the IRA.
But you do, by your own admission, socialise with admirers of serial killers.
You may have moved there, but you lived a lot of your life from the 70's in Northern Ireland by your previous postings.
Now pretending you didn't know who was in the RA in nationalist circles (even middle class ones is a lie).
You say" rumours are not evidence "but that works for the brave security force personnel which you were trying to tarnish as terrorists as much as it does for yourself.
How do you know if you hadn't socialised with anyone in the RA if you didn't know who was in it.
 

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That all depends on whether a member of your family was murdered by them.
I support taking them all down, and criminalising the practice. Do you?
What about the naming of a council owned play park after a terrorist, should that also be criminalised?
 

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Also on the main bypass in Omagh there is a 1916 banner flying, no one was questioned about it and there are many 1916 society banners on the road to the head of the town in Strabane.
How do you know no one was questioned about it? More to the point do you think the PSNI should allow such banners to be taken down?
 

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You may have moved there, but you lived a lot of your life from the 70's in Northern Ireland by your previous postings.
Now pretending you didn't know who was in the RA in nationalist circles (even middle class ones is a lie).
It is not a lie. Where I lived in Derry I almost never came in contact with hard line republicans. Derry at that time was an SDLP stronghold. I was at one point friendly with a friend of the great John Hume, and had a drink with Hume a few times, if that counts. :)
You say" rumours are not evidence "but that works for the brave security force personnel which you were trying to tarnish as terrorists as much as it does for yourself.
The Glenanne Gang was just a rumour? Have you told the Lord Chief Justice? :)
How do you know if you hadn't socialised with anyone in the RA if you didn't know who was in it.
Never knowingly then. None of them were ever convicted of anything, and I tended to avoid the belligerent Provo types that I came in contact with.[/quote][/QUOTE]
 

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What about the naming of a council owned play park after a terrorist, should that also be criminalised?
My views on the naming of that park are already on record, DOG, as you well know. Asking me the same question over and over again is a bit mad, don't you think?
 

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It is not a lie. Where I lived in Derry I almost never came in contact with hard line republicans. Derry at that time was an SDLP stronghold. I was at one point friendly with a friend of the great John Hume, and had a drink with Hume a few times, if that counts. :)

The Glenanne Gang was just a rumour? Have you told the Lord Chief Justice? :)

Never knowingly then. None of them were ever convicted of anything, and I tended to avoid the belligerent Provo types that I came in contact with.
Well the Glenanne gang hasn't been convicted of anything either.
 
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My views on the naming of that park are already on record, DOG, as you well know. Asking me the same question over and over again is a bit mad, don't you think?
I asked do you think it should be criminalised like you said the British soldier flags should be as both on public property.
 

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Well the Glenanne gang hasn't been convicted of anything either.
And Gerry wasn't in the RA...................
We are going to get the truth officially about them soon, but respected journalists have already told the story, and it is well known. The dogs in the street know it.
 

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And Gerry wasn't in the RA...................
We are going to get the truth officially about them soon, but respected journalists have already told the story, and it is well known. The dogs in the street know it.
when names are named and people convicted of crimes then we'll "know".

It's amazing how few of these colluding security force personnel have any evidence against them.
 

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when names are named and people convicted of crimes then we'll "know".

It's amazing how few of these colluding security force personnel have any evidence against them.
There is a load of evidence that it happened.
 

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And Gerry wasn't in the RA...................
We are going to get the truth officially about them soon, but respected journalists have already told the story, and it is well known. The dogs in the street know it.
A bit like your circle of nationalist friends then, when you can claim you didn't know any or socialise with at least any that had been convicted, as with Pat Finucane or Paddy McKenna it doesn't mean they are innocent.
 

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A bit like your circle of nationalist friends then, when you can claim you didn't know any or socialise with at least any that had been convicted, as with Pat Finucane or Paddy McKenna it doesn't mean they are innocent.
Smearing the names of dead men again DOG in the safe knowledge that you can never be sued for defamation. You're just a coward.
 

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Smearing the names of dead men again DOG in the safe knowledge that you can never be sued for defamation. You're just a coward.
Like yourself in regard to the Glenanne gang.
There is as much evidence from intelligence services about Pat Finucane as with the Glenanne gang, as when the RUC chief constable can say it it would be at least as reputable as your respected journalists.
What's sauce for the goose,
 

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Like yourself in regard to the Glenanne gang.
I think you're probably too dim to understand the difference, but I'll have a go at explaining why that is utter nonsense. You smeared named individuals. I did not.
Furthermore a number of those involved in the Glenanne Gang have already been convicted of murder.
 

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The IRA was quite happy to murder soldiers police and civillians anyway it could. Then seemed somewhat shocked that retaliation might occur. Nobody is winning a prize for having clean hands.
But only the state is pretending to have clean hands ... surely it’s right & proper for disclosure & truth to be achieved
 

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I think you're probably too dim to understand the difference, but I'll have a go at explaining why that is utter nonsense. You smeared named individuals. I did not.
Furthermore a number of those involved in the Glenanne Gang have already been convicted of murder.
But ýou have smeared the others who have not been convicted of anything, those are individuals also and their names have been tarnished without getting a chance to defend themselves.
Then so much for collusion when a couple of them have already been convicted.
So if I had said "a certain Provo Solicitor" it would have been OK then.
You never did answer whether my post about the Gaa that I copied and pasted large sections was sectarian, though you had admitted it was true.
 


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