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There is a major debate going on in the RCC at the moment regarding communion for Catholics who are civilly remarried but who have not got an annulment and whose former spouse is still living. According to Catholic theology they are still presumed to be married to their first spouse so by having sex with their new spouse they are committing adultery.

People who have committed mortal sins, like adultery, are not supposed to receive communion without confessing and repenting their sin first, so remarried Catholics should be denied communion according to traditional Catholic thinking.

But recently Pope Francis have been giving some ambiguous signals that people who are remarried might be granted communion, as long as they themselves feel their conscience is clear. The bishops of Malta have taken the hint and declared that remarried people should not be denied communion. Newsreport here.

The conservative wing of the Church is understandably upset. Here is a canon lawyer expressing upset: https://canonlawblog.wordpress.com/2017/01/13/the-maltese-disaster/.

My reflection is twofold: 1) people who are using contraception are not supposed to take communion either but few seem to be calling for that rule to be enforced 2) once again we see proof that even conservative religions can change and abandon central parts of their teaching.
 

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This is going to blow up in ways that are undreamed of.
I appreciate it's an internal church matter, but the msm are apparently ignoring what may yet become one of the stories of the year.

The RCC teaching on marriage goes to the very heart of its existence, purpose and mission.
 

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My note via the Report button.

'Another attempt by a small group of religious fanatics to flood the 'culture and community' sub-forum with religious issues.

This one concerns an issue in Malta. Could we please have some moderator intervention on the grounds that this is off-topic chat or at best should be in 'foreign affairs'.

Thank you'
 

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My note via the Report button.

'Another attempt by a small group of religious fanatics to flood the 'culture and community' sub-forum with religious issues.

This one concerns an issue in Malta. Could we please have some moderator intervention on the grounds that this is off-topic chat or at best should be in 'foreign affairs'.

Thank you'
Oh, go away. You'd have consigned Martin Luther's alleged woodwork to the small ads.
 

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Oh, go away. You'd have consigned Martin Luther's alleged woodwork to the small ads.
Most of Lumpy's posts deal with matters connected to Religion in general and Catholicism in particular. Yet he seems to get terribly annoyed with people discussing topics on the actual substance of both a lot of the time. If all Religious discussion was prohibited on this forum I do think you would find that he had stopped posting within a month of a few weeks at most.
 

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Oh, go away. You'd have consigned Martin Luther's alleged woodwork to the small ads.
Or foreign affairs seeing that the woodwork concerned was in Germany.
 
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Most of Lumpy's posts deal with matters connected to Religion in general and Catholicism in particular. Yet he seems to get terribly annoyed with people discussing topics on the actual substance of both a lot of the time. If all Religious discussion was prohibited on this forum I do think you would find that he had stopped posting within a month of a few weeks at most.
He'd start submitting religiously themed threads.
 

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Most of Lumpy's posts deal with matters connected to Religion in general and Catholicism in particular. Yet he seems to get terribly annoyed with people discussing topics on the actual substance of both a lot of the time. If all Religious discussion was prohibited on this forum I do think you would find that he had stopped posting within a month of a few weeks at most.
Why not try to find a forum that deals with this stuff instead of barfing it up constantly across a political forum like some sick pups?
 

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When a romantic moment is interrupted by a spasm, our heroine takes it in her stride…
MALTESERS® believes that life is better when we don’t take things too seriously.
Maltesers. Look on the Light Side.
 

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Pope Francis will now be watched very closely to see what action he takes, if any, now that his Amoris Laetitia has been cited as the basis for what many bishops, cardinals and faithful believe to be a betrayal and corruption of the Church's teaching on marriage. This one won't be easily sidestepped.
 

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Why not try to find a forum that deals with this stuff instead of barfing it up constantly across a political forum like some sick pups?
But Lumpy, aren't you always telling us how the RCC has ruled the politics and people of this small island; how it's knee deep in our institutions and governance; how it's indoctrinating our children...etc, etc..?


And now you don't want to talk about it?

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

You're welcome!
 

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My note via the Report button.

'Another attempt by a small group of religious fanatics to flood the 'culture and community' sub-forum with religious issues.

This one concerns an issue in Malta. Could we please have some moderator intervention on the grounds that this is off-topic chat or at best should be in 'foreign affairs'.

Thank you'
It is a global issue since the RCC will presumably try to set the same policy the whole world over. It certainly affects Roman-Catholics in Ireland, who, as you may have noted, form a considerable part of the population.
 

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But Lumpy, aren't you always telling us how the RCC has ruled the politics and people of this small island; how it's knee deep in our institutions and governance; how it's indoctrinating our children...etc, etc..?


And now you don't want to talk about it?

“If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

You're welcome!
I prefer to point out the lunacies of the remaining Children of the Corn. The moderators do occasionally seem to wake up as they are much more alert now to Ratio et Fides' constant attempts to examine whatever religious dogma has caught her eye today across the forum and shove her frequent lunacies into 'chat' but they still don't seem to see whenever this stuff is launched by a small group of fanatics determined to have as much catholicism across the forum as possible.

Some of the mods are brighter than others.
 

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It is a global issue since the RCC will presumably try to set the same policy the whole world over. It certainly affects Roman-Catholics in Ireland, who, as you may have noted, form a considerable part of the population.
It has as much to do with Irish politics as alchemy does.
 

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It has long been the case, as with the Northern Ireland forum, that the lunacies contained within mean that there should be a separate 'religion' sub-forum on this forum.

I have no idea why this simple solution hasn't occurred to those who administer the site thus far.
 

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As much as that? Who knew?
I may be being overly kind. Seeing as the subject has long been a way of converting bullshyte into gold.
 

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