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Commuters can't use new Luas due to parking farce


Aindriu

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You just couldn't make this up!

THOUSANDS of commuters are unable to use Dublin's €300m new Luas extension because there's nowhere to park their cars.
Hundreds of acres of empty land surround the new Luas stops, but people can't use them to park and ride because the land is now tied up in the National Asset Management Agency (NAMA).
It also emerged last night that the agency operating the Luas has not even entered discussions with NAMA about making some of this land available to commuters for parking.
Hundreds of drivers were turned away from the Luas terminus in Cherrywood, south Dublin, on Monday morning when the line opened for business because the only car park in operation is a private facility for workers at Dell and other adjacent offices.
Car-park operators have put security staff in place all week to inform stunned commuters there's nowhere for them to park, and clampers have been patrolling the area.
Full story here.
 


Macy

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This was pointed out on here when they "launched" the line a couple months back as being a huge opportunity missed. The N11 is a disaster pretty much from Cornelscourt the whole way in every morning, and there's a luas line that has the potential to take many of the cars off the road.
 

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It could only happen in this godforsaken country --absolute madness.They only applied for planning permission for the Carrickmines "Park and Ride". in April !-still not a sod turned.The Luas extension trains are virtually empty from Cherrywood to Sandyford at the moment.
 

locke

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Why is it we can't get parking and public transport right in thsi country?

In Midleton, they built a huge car park by the new train station. Then they imposed a charge. The result is one empty paid car park and surrounding housing estates where the roads are clogged with cars taking advantage of the free parking.
 
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Why is it we can't get parking and public transport right in thsi country?

In Midleton, they built a huge car park by the new train station. Then they imposed a charge. The result is one empty paid car park and surrounding housing estates where the roads are clogged with cars taking advantage of the free parking.
Pretty easily solveable by local council yellow lining streets and putting in parking zones for residents and banning parking between 10-11 and 2-3 in the day. Seen it done and solves problem.
 

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Another example of how our "entitled" politicians haven't a clue as to what goes on in the lives of "the little people". On Saturday night's RTE news I saw Biffo's mug smirking contentedly out of a Luas window at the camera, presumably desperate for a rare "good news" photo op on the new Cherrywood extension. RTE was breathlessly extolling the merits of the extension and mentioned that Luas was free for the weekend. When I called on my 90-year old mother on Sunday she'd seen the same news item and said she'd like to participate in the inaugural sessions. What a f*****g disaster! We drove to the Cherrywood stop - no parking facilities, hundreds of cars all over the place, car clampers and car towaway trucks in a despicable feeding frenzy exploiting the innocent and hapless parkers. Drove on to the next stop and terminus - Brides Glen. The same uniquely Irish non joined-up thinking f**k-up.......as I was speaking to a harassed (private) security guy who'd nothing to do with Luas, more cars were being clamped and towed away. In fairness to the security guy, when I explained my mother's age and her wish to ride on the Luas on its inaugural weekend, he actually moved a barrier and let me drive almost alongside the platform........on condition I moved the car immediately afterwards. I put her on the Luas and drove back to Sandyford to collect her there. The security guy - a Pole - said he couldn't comprehend how a whole new extension with a terminus in Brides Glen, and a major stop in Cherrywood, both well distanced from the N11 and buses, hadn't even ONE car parking space.

Biffo in his Merc with driver, needless to say, wouldn't have a clue about these two stops without any car parking, and even if he had, would he give a shyte? Seriously, can anyone think of one other European country that would build a rapid transit system - WITHOUT CAR PARKS AT THE STOPS.?
 

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Heard the report on RTE yesterday, lots of people turned away form Cherrywood because it was a private car park. 300M to extend the line for this. Slow hand clap time.
 

johnfás

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Ah don't worry, we'll buy a bit of land for 10 times its market value and everything will be grand.
 

controller

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No wonder the world laughs at us..........
 

LiquidPaddy

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You'll probably find some "friendly" developers bought the adjacent land years back and are waiting for a profit for car park spaces!

What about feeder bus services to the new Luas stops? Any good? Is there any joined up thinking on this project? Should I ask?
 

Rocky

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The incomptence in this country really does get to you at times.
 

blinding

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Why is it we can't get parking and public transport right in thsi country?

In Midleton, they built a huge car park by the new train station. Then they imposed a charge. The result is one empty paid car park and surrounding housing estates where the roads are clogged with cars taking advantage of the free parking.
If fianna fail politicians get brown envelopes stuffed with cash then things get done (and only then) in this country.

Get with the programme. How often do you need the evidence of this to see that this is the way things are done in the 26 counties.

At the moment cash for stuffing brown envelopes is scarce so nothings getting done.

Blame the institutionally corrupt "ffailures"
 

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You'll probably find some "friendly" developers bought the adjacent land years back and are waiting for a profit for car park spaces!
He was probably more "lucky" than friendly. You know...just bought the land, hopeful that in the future some development would take place. Didn't he get luck with the LUAS
 

Grumpy Jack

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Did anyone even read the piece in the Indo?

These parking facilities were meant to be built by developers who secured planning permission for housing and commercial projects along the line - but work either stopped or didn't start long after construction of the Luas extension had begun three years ago.

The land has now been transferred to NAMA - which didn't even exist a year ago.

This situation will be rectified quickly but you can hardly blame the RPA for the collapse of property construction, the state of the banks and the existence of NAMA. The failure here is with our old friends, the property developers and bankers, not the RPA.

Jesus, does anyone on this site even think a little bit before they post?
 

johnfás

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Did anyone even read the piece in the Indo?

These parking facilities were meant to be built by developers who secured planning permission for housing and commercial projects along the line - but work either stopped or didn't start long after construction of the Luas extension had begun three years ago.

The land has now been transferred to NAMA - which didn't even exist a year ago.

This situation will be rectified quickly but you can hardly blame the RPA for the collapse of property construction, the state of the banks and the existence of NAMA. The failure here is with our old friends, the property developers and bankers, not the RPA.

Jesus, does anyone on this site even think a little bit before they post?
I read the article and was surprised that it implied NAMA had taken possession of the land. I had not seen any instance where NAMA has taken possession of land at this stage. The article is more confused than any poster here. The developer now owes the money to NAMA, NAMA aren't likely in possession of the land.
 

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You are missing the point of public service provision in this country. It doesn't matter whether it can be used. The only thing that matters is that it was "delivered".
 

cozzy121

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Did anyone even read the piece in the Indo?

These parking facilities were meant to be built by developers who secured planning permission for housing and commercial projects along the line - but work either stopped or didn't start long after construction of the Luas extension had begun three years ago.

The land has now been transferred to NAMA - which didn't even exist a year ago.

This situation will be rectified quickly but you can hardly blame the RPA for the collapse of property construction, the state of the banks and the existence of NAMA. The failure here is with our old friends, the property developers and bankers, not the RPA.

Jesus, does anyone on this site even think a little bit before they post?
Jesus do you have any self respect? You're defending ff, You're defending the likes of corrupt-bertie.
Christ, do you even care what they've done to your country?
 

Macy

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I read the article and was surprised that it implied NAMA had taken possession of the land. I had not seen any instance where NAMA has taken possession of land at this stage. The article is more confused than any poster here. The developer now owes the money to NAMA, NAMA aren't likely in possession of the land.
The RPA guy on the radio at lunchtime (I think news at one, but could've been Kiberd) actually said that they never planned a park and ride at Cherrywood, and that one at Carrickmines is now in the planning stages because the developer didn't deliver.

There's 2 problems with this...
1) It beggars belief that they didn't plan some parking at Cherrywood. Even if they really did believe that all the was going to be developed, it's a number of years since that's been a pipe dream rather than a reality.
2) Same thing with Carrickmines - it's been obvious for a couple of years that building would stall, and after launch they're only going for planning?

The only get out they could probably have had for Cherrywood was that the original plans saw Luas coming out as far as Bray, and maybe the long term thinking was park and ride around Fassaroe. However, I don't recall ever seeing such a proposal, and the further extension was stalled a number of years ago. And anyway the RPA chose to rely on the Developer excuse.
 

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Jesus do you have any self respect? You're defending ff, You're defending the likes of corrupt-bertie.
Christ, do you even care what they've done to your country?
I am defending the RPA - not the lack of parking spaces.

The RPA's job is to deliver the rail lines - they did that in this case, on time and within budget.

The lack of park and ride facilities is down to developers who failed to build the P&R facilities they had committed to and were a condition of their planning permissions.

When the RPA started building the line the P&R facilities where due to be put in by the developers. Is it the RPA's fault that they have failed to do so?

The RPA cannot compel broke developers and broke banks to build P&R. That is simply not their role and they do not have the power to do so.

However, putting in temporary P&R facilities should not be too difficult - considering how many undeveloped sites are along the line.

Dun Laoighaire Rathdown County Council can see to that quite quickly.
 

Macy

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If it's nothing to do with the RPA, why are they now involved in providing them? They should've got this in order before the service started - they could hardly have missed either the crash in construction or the fact that the parking had not been delivered.
 

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