Compulsory arbitration law needed for hospital strike by nurses

Patslatt1

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Hi Pat..............same patshite, different day

Trade Unions do what all representative bodies/groups do...IFA, ICMSA, CIF, ISME, IBEC, ICGP, Retail Ireland etc etc, they represent the interests of their members. that is their job
I expect that there is a representative groups somewhere that might accept DVD motivational speakers which you might be able to join
A cursory glance shows that you have 4 anti PS threads on the go at the moment
Your childish insult shows an immature personality and limited communication skills.
The difference with trade union lobbies is that they represent the vested interests of a sizeable share of the voting public. That enables them to exploit typically weak coalition governments to get vastly overpaid and overpensioned deals in essential industries.
The government can only be guaranteed to stand up to them in an economic crisis when it engages in crisis management using the latent power of our very centralised government with the combined executive and legislature.
 


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I hope they go for it - they would suffer a humiliating defeat in any referendum
The Irish electorate is well educated and despite their foolish tendency to think the public sector unions are underdogs deserving of support, they would quickly realise in referendum debates just how privileged ,overpaid and overpensioned our public sector are. The top half of the public sector enjoys aristocratic privileges with gold plated pensions and jobs for life.[MENTION][/MENTION]
 

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Trust Mary Lose to be in the middle of any protest.
Typical opposition party kneejerk support for striking public sector, a grubby vote getting exercise.
Most of the crowd are public sector workers hoping for knock on pay increases if the nurses' union pigs at the taxpayers' trough pay demand succeeds.
 
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The Irish electorate is well educated and despite their foolish tendency to think the public sector unions are underdogs deserving of support, they would quickly realise in referendum debates just how privileged ,overpaid and overpensioned our public sector are. The top half of the public sector enjoys aristocratic privileges with gold plated pensions and jobs for life.[MENTION][/MENTION]
I guarantee that any such attempt to restrict basic democratic rights would lead to a humiliating defeat for the government. If they thought they could get away with such a measure they would have tried it by now.

You inherent anti-public sector prejudice cannot let you see the wood from the trees.
 

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Socialist, SF etc. Middle Ireland watching the rugby. Unlucky Phil. Impressed by Carbery today, conor murrays form a concern for middle ireland
 

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I guarantee that any such attempt to restrict basic democratic rights would lead to a humiliating defeat for the government. If they thought they could get away with such a measure they would have tried it by now.

You inherent anti-public sector prejudice cannot let you see the wood from the trees.
Your democratic rights are sacred cow rights to strike essential industries and inflict potentially enormous costs on the public at little cost to the strikers who are mostly overpaid and overpensioned public sector workers.
 

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No patient has ever suffered because of a nurses or doctors strike - emergency cover is always provided and nurses and doctors have left the picket line in previous disputes to care for patients.

In contrast - the health policies of right-wing governments have and continue to cause the deaths of people and ensure over-worked, underpaid staff and inadequately funded and staffed hospitals where people suffer as a consequence. Instead of addressing the crisis in the health service as a result of a century of under-funding - you want to deprive the workers providing the service of their basic democratic rights and whinge and whine and complain and engage in public sector bashing - and all because you have too much time on your hands from sucking on daddy's silver spoon.
We spend a huge amount of money on the health service. Don’t you want to improve efficiencies? Us paying more taxes to give them more money doesn’t help any patient.
 

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We spend a huge amount of money on the health service. Don’t you want to improve efficiencies? Us paying more taxes to give them more money doesn’t help any patient.
Our public health service is simply a social welfare transfer, most of us recognise this and consequently have private health insurance.
 

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SF are not exactly friends of PS workers. McDonald has oft been heard demanding a €100k cap on PS pay which inevitably means capping the levels below that.
No it doesn't but why would anyone want to be a surgeon if a nurse can get the same money?
 

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Your democratic rights are sacred cow rights to strike essential industries and inflict potentially enormous costs on the public at little cost to the strikers who are mostly overpaid and overpensioned public sector workers.
Says the clown who has no problem with massive bailouts and subsidies to big business - at enormous costs to the vast majority of the population.

We spend a huge amount of money on the health service. Don’t you want to improve efficiencies? Us paying more taxes to give them more money doesn’t help any patient.
Absolutely - except the right-wing mantra of 'efficiencies' means job cuts, wage cuts and worse working conditions as the ruling elites attempt to get blood from the stone.

If you want to improve the lot for patients you could start with stopping the massive public subsidies to private health and big pharma - that would provide funding for the nurses (and doctors) pay rise, improving working conditions and improve retention rates, as well as make funding available for the provision of badly needed primary care - all of which would massively help any and every patient.
 

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Says the clown who has no problem with massive bailouts and subsidies to big business - at enormous costs to the vast majority of the population.


Absolutely - except the right-wing mantra of 'efficiencies' means job cuts, wage cuts and worse working conditions as the ruling elites attempt to get blood from the stone.

If you want to improve the lot for patients you could start with stopping the massive public subsidies to private health and big pharma - that would provide funding for the nurses (and doctors) pay rise, improving working conditions and improve retention rates, as well as make funding available for the provision of badly needed primary care - all of which would massively help any and every patient.
Our turover of nurses is below what they have in Australia while we spend above the OECD average on health already.

The public chose to support our boys in the 6N rather than the nurses yesterday. Best if they just go back to work now.
 

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I have supported the Nurses up to now. But I hear that some public patients are being told no operations or scans next week. Also what will Nurses spend any money they receive on?
1. Trips to Japan for RWC with spouses - I hope not
2. Going to Brown Thomas for new outfits- I hope not
 

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No it doesn't but why would anyone want to be a surgeon if a nurse can get the same money?
Read what I wrote.

It's because of the need to maintain differentials that McDonald's daft proposal to reduce consultant salaries would have meant pro rata reductions in pay for other grades.

Then again, Consultants have the financial muscle to assert their rights. When Harney tried to pull a stroke to deny consultants their contractual rights the courts had to clean up her mess.
 

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Our turover of nurses is below what they have in Australia
That is hardly surprising - Australia has a massive shortage of nurses, many nurses go their because they have good wages, good working conditions and excellent training opportunities. Many then leave and go other places.

while we spend above the OECD average on health already.
A massive proportion of health spending in Ireland goes on subsidies to private health and big pharma.

The public chose to support our boys in the 6N rather than the nurses yesterday. Best if they just go back to work now.
Yea - 60,000 on the streets of Dublin - it blew your contention that ordinary people don't support the nurses completely out of the water
 

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I have supported the Nurses up to now. But I hear that some public patients are being told no operations or scans next week. Also what will Nurses spend any money they receive on?
1. Trips to Japan for RWC with spouses - I hope not
2. Going to Brown Thomas for new outfits- I hope not
Maybe the mortgage payments or rents that they won't meet because they are on strike.
 

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That is hardly surprising - Australia has a massive shortage of nurses, many nurses go their because they have good wages, good working conditions and excellent training opportunities. Many then leave and go other places.


A massive proportion of health spending in Ireland goes on subsidies to private health and big pharma.


Yea - 60,000 on the streets of Dublin - it blew your contention that ordinary people don't support the nurses completely out of the water
Yes many of us have a year of sun and fun in Oz before returning home. Most of those irish nurses will be back.

Derisory crowd, full of the usual serial protestors and punters looking for a knock on pay rise by most accounts. Very little coverage of it either

INMO wanna try and get a solution based on allowances before middle ireland attitude turns from disinterest to hostility.

Would wonder how many of the alleged 60k are even aware the nurses are already getting a 7% payrise under the agreement they signed up.
 
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