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Comrade Fintan O'Toole puffs his chest as the Guardian throw him a bone to write about Brexit

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The Guardianistas are terrified of losing their cover from Europe ...the smoked salmon socialists are appalled that the UK may now be subject to a work ethic other than the French work dodging one

So they roll out their tame poodle, Fintan O'Toole, giving him a bone of being at their bully pulpit ...and he delivers in spades...subtly equating the English Nationalists with terrorists

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/northern-irish-peace-sacrificed-english-nationalism
Recklessly, casually, with barely a thought, English nationalists have planted a bomb under the settlement that brought peace to Northern Ireland and close cordiality to relations between Britain and Ireland. To do this seriously and soberly would have been bad. To do it so carelessly, with nothing more than a pat on the head and
...When they take power, the Brexiters have a moral duty to think deeply and speak honestly about these effects of their victory. But the signs are that they will pay as much attention to them as gung-ho warriors typically give to any other kind of collateral damage.
Comrade Fintan has never had to do real work in his life, and lives for the sense of smugness that the Guardian allows him ...his claims about the Northern Ireland peace process are vastly over stated, though not entirely without merit

That an assistant Editor of the Irish Times is proud to write such a hatchet job in a nakedly partisan UK paper is instructive - fact is the Irish Times itself aspires to be the smoked salmon socialist protector of privilege in Ireland - and has no interest in maintaining the impartiality that the only supposedly quality newspaper of a small country should strive towards

They might as well be in bed with French intelligence ...or sorry...

cYp
 


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You don't like Fintan, do you, cYp?

Nor do I very much, but I think your "criticism" of him is mostly just abuse:

A few examples:
"puffs chest"
"smoked salmon socialist" X2
"tame poodle"
"never had to do real work in his life"
"hatchet job"
"protector of privilege"

And hardly a single reference to the content of the article. The one quote made from it doesn't seem unreasonable. And the rest of the article seems pretty fair overall. There's certainly nothing in the OP to justify its empty vehemence.

As for the howling about a lack of impartiality: it's, ahem, an opinion piece.

Zoo.
 
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Fintan still doesn't get it.
It was working class, Old Labour voters who swung it for Brexit.
They are the ones who were most affected by the EU and who saw their surroundings changed beyond recognition, their wages cut, and their identity suppressed.
To call all Brexiters "English Nationalists" is the kind of lazy guff you'd gloss over had you seen it in a post on P.ie
These people are still detached from reality.
 

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Fintan still doesn't get it.
It was working class, Old Labour voters who swung it for Brexit.
They are the ones who were most affected by the EU and who saw their surroundings changed beyond recognition, their wages cut, and their identity suppressed.
To call all Brexiters "English Nationalists" is the kind of lazy guff you'd gloss over had you seen it in a post on P.ie
These people are still detached from reality.
Where did Fintan call all Brexiters "English Nationalists"? Read carefully.
 

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You don't like Fintan, do you, cYp?

Nor do I very much, but I think your "criticism" of him is mostly just abuse:

A few examples:
"puffs chest"
"smoked salmon socialist" X2
"tame poodle"
"never had to do real work in his life"
"hatchet job"
"protector of privilege"

And hardly a single reference to the content of the article. The one quote made from it doesn't seem unreasonable. And the rest of the article seems pretty fair overall. There's certainly nothing in the OP to justify its empty vehemence.

As for the howling about a lack of impartiality: it's, ahem, an opinion piece.

Zoo.
its nothing but a load of scare mongering, presumptive, drivel .
 

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You don't like Fintan, do you, cYp?

Nor do I very much, but I think your "criticism" of him is mostly just abuse:

A few examples:
"puffs chest"
"smoked salmon socialist" X2
"tame poodle"
"never had to do real work in his life"
"hatchet job"
"protector of privilege"

And hardly a single reference to the content of the article. The one quote made from it doesn't seem unreasonable. And the rest of the article seems pretty fair overall. There's certainly nothing in the OP to justify its empty vehemence.

As for the howling about a lack of impartiality: it's, ahem, an opinion piece.

Zoo.
The issue is that an Assistant Editor of the Irish Times is subtly conflating the Brexit leave voters with Nationalists and terrorists

Fintan has significant form as a work dodger, enjoying a privileged lifestyle - and also he is known to fawn over the Guardian, as is Kevin O'Sullivan

Fintan proves useful to the Guardian, as their tame Irishman ...who can relied upon to take potshots, un/justified at the Guardian's foes

cYp
 

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The issue is that an Assistant Editor of the Irish Times is subtly conflating the Brexit leave voters with Nationalists and terrorists

Fintan has significant form as a work dodger, enjoying a privileged lifestyle - and also he is known to fawn over the Guardian, as is Kevin O'Sullivan

Fintan proves useful to the Guardian, as their tame Irishman ...who can relied upon to take potshots, un/justified at the Guardian's foes

cYp
The motor of Brexit is English nationalism. In that,O'Toole is quite right.

The rest of your post is, again, just abusive nonsense.
 

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Is smoked salmon as valuable as it used to be? A smoked salmon socialist is a fairly cost-sensitive sort of chap these days now that the product is farmed. It's a rather antique insult.
 

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The Guardianistas are terrified of losing their cover from Europe ...the smoked salmon socialists are appalled that the UK may now be subject to a work ethic other than the French work dodging one

So they roll out their tame poodle, Fintan O'Toole, giving him a bone of being at their bully pulpit ...and he delivers in spades...subtly equating the English Nationalists with terrorists

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/24/northern-irish-peace-sacrificed-english-nationalism


Comrade Fintan has never had to do real work in his life, and lives for the sense of smugness that the Guardian allows him ...his claims about the Northern Ireland peace process are vastly over stated, though not entirely without merit

That an assistant Editor of the Irish Times is proud to write such a hatchet job in a nakedly partisan UK paper is instructive - fact is the Irish Times itself aspires to be the smoked salmon socialist protector of privilege in Ireland - and has no interest in maintaining the impartiality that the only supposedly quality newspaper of a small country should strive towards

They might as well be in bed with French intelligence ...or sorry...

cYp

A breathtakingly stupid comment - writing articles for newspapers no longer qualifies as real work?? Wake up!
 

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Where are your issues with it?
My issues are that he blathering about border controls like its going be an absolute disaster .How does he know what Irish and UK ,NI politicians are going to do and organise ,he doesn't .There will be a shed load of negotiation and it will be worked out no problem .
Fintan the Tool didn't like the democratic vote so now he is having a scaremongering childish hissy fit
 

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The motor of Brexit is English nationalism. In that,O'Toole is quite right.

The rest of your post is, again, just abusive nonsense.
He juxtaposes his words choicely, and plainly labels them in exceptionally pejorative terms
gung-ho warriors typically give to any other kind of collateral damage.
Fintan, and the Irish Times generally have bad form for pandering to the Guardian, and his trading off his Irish Times status to paint the Brexiteers as xenophobic warriors, is meritorious of abuse

People like Fintan live for pats on the back from the Guardian, and will do anything to get them. Were he merely an Irish Times OpEd columnist that would one thing, but a salaried editorial staff member doing a hit job is not on

cyp
 

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My issues are that he blathering about border controls like its going be an absolute disaster .How does he know what Irish and UK ,NI politicians are going to do and organise ,he doesn't .There will be a shed load of negotiation and it will be worked out no problem .
Fintan the Tool didn't like the democratic vote so now he is having a scaremongering childish hissy fit
There's a lot of that about!
 

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While I think that border controls will raise the ire of the Irish. It will be the withdrawal of EU funding which will not be replaced and the impact of this lunacy on business that will create political unrest. When there are mass demonstrations on the streets of Belfast Derry and other major six county towns demanding the right to be in europe and opposing counter marches led by another mindless bigot claiming that it is all an IRA plot , it is then that we will truly see the impact on Ireland.
 

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While I think that border controls will raise the ire of the Irish. It will be the withdrawal of EU funding which will not be replaced and the impact of this lunacy on business that will create political unrest. When there are mass demonstrations on the streets of Belfast Derry and other major six county towns demanding the right to be in europe and opposing counter marches led by another mindless bigot claiming that it is all an IRA plot , it is then that we will truly see the impact on Ireland.
the Brits are big enough to keep NI monetarily happy its only a small part of the UK
 

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He juxtaposes his words choicely, and plainly labels them in exceptionally pejorative terms


Fintan, and the Irish Times generally have bad form for pandering to the Guardian, and his trading off his Irish Times status to paint the Brexiteers as xenophobic warriors, is meritorious of abuse

People like Fintan live for pats on the back from the Guardian, and will do anything to get them. Were he merely an Irish Times OpEd columnist that would one thing, but a salaried editorial staff member doing a hit job is not on

cyp
I still don't see your problem.

Are you jealous of him?

I know I am.
 

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There's a lot of that about!
Because the situation is quite scary.

The facts are quite scary.

The risk of a hard -- or at least harder -- border is there. Much of the nonsense Brexit argument was about immigration from Europe.

Don't think the only land border between the EU and the UK is irrelevant to that concern.

There may indeed be a solution found, but it ain't going to be easy and is unlikely to satisfy everyone.

Besides, Derryman's vision of the danger that the EU money being poured into Northern Ireland will not be replaced is deeply worrying.
 

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He juxtaposes his words choicely, and plainly labels them in exceptionally pejorative terms


Fintan, and the Irish Times generally have bad form for pandering to the Guardian, and his trading off his Irish Times status to paint the Brexiteers as xenophobic warriors, is meritorious of abuse

People like Fintan live for pats on the back from the Guardian, and will do anything to get them. Were he merely an Irish Times OpEd columnist that would one thing, but a salaried editorial staff member doing a hit job is not on

cyp
You feel it inappropriate to portray Tory English nationalists using Colonel Blimp-like imagery and speak of the Guardian like it's the devil incarnate.

I don't share either of those views myself.
 

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