Concentration and containment: the best policy for Social Housing in Ireland

Hans Von Horn

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Sociologists argue that poverty and disadvantage are compounded when poor people are drawn together, and that alternatively , the well to do, are unfairly helped when they are surrounded by other rich people.

This kind of thinking leads Government to direct Social Housing to more well to do neighbourhoods. It also increases the cost of Social Houses, while decreasing the incentive to be self sufficient, and to self provide housing, since a home is provided by the State in a more gentrified neighbourhood.

More wealthy area,s are often less well policed, and the people tend to be less streetwise, creating opportunities for Urchins, to behave like Urchins. Poorer Children are also much more aware of their poverty when surrounded by people who have more, creating and maximising feelings of inequality.

The incentive effect for betterment is maximised by directing Social Housing to Ghetto Style Developments, while allowing many more housing units to be provided, in more traditional social housing areas.

While there is a discrepancy between the participation rates in University between Concentrated Social Housing areas, and areas which are more middle class, this is perfectly rational, having regard to inherited genetic ability.

It must be remembered that poor people do not love their children any less than wealthy people.

Evidence suggests that poor boys in particular do not do well in mixed housing areas. Duke University poverty study: When rich and poor live side-by-side, poor boys suffer most.
 
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A leftwing troll to make the right look like idiots I see. Sort of like a reverse mercurial!
 

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The current policy is for a mix of private and social side by side, with the reason given that building social housing all in the one place was a mistake. Maybe that policy will do a U-turn in the future. Can the above two posts be moved to handbagging?
 

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They should run parenting courses for all parents.

Housing is a part of the problem but nothing beats good parenting/guardianship. Nothing.
 

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100% council estates, what could possibly go wrong?

Mixed housing is better.
Temporary mixed housing certainly, but where's the fairness in the near permanent arrangement currently? It seems counter intuitive that a person who works hard, earns money and buys a home should be living next door to another who has done none of these things?

We seem to have allowed social housing to have become an industry - an expensive and hard to measure industry that seems to fail to make anyone happy. We have lost the plot - HAP, rent allowance and buying private homes for social housing have artificially inflated house prices, making more people dependent on the state for housing, so they have to rent and buy more, etc., etc. - it's visious cycle where only landlords, land owners and developers win at the expense of the tax payer.

The whole lot needs to be re-thunk, including the whole area of re-settlement and re-allocation to best use the properties the councils already own/pay for.
 

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100% council estates, what could possibly go wrong?

Mixed housing is better.
Yes but only those who're working(doesn't matter what type of job) should be allowed to avail of social housing, those with criminal records should also be banned from availing of state housing.

The riff raff scum who give other socially and economically deprived areas a bad name need to be dropped on their arses. The left need to stop putting these types in the same categories as the real working class, it's a insult to the low paid.
 
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Yes but only those who're working(doesn't matter what type of job) should be allowed to avail of social housing, those with criminal records should also be banned from availing of state housing.

The riff raff scum who give other socially and economically deprived areas a bad name need to be dropped on the arses. The left need to stop putting these types in the same categories as the real working class, it's a insult to the low paid.
Agreed. Also there are very few of these scumbags about. Unfortunately all it takes is for a few bad eggs to ruin a whole area.

Most people want to work,raise their family and live in peace.
 

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What about some uninhabited islands off the coast for Social housing for those who refuse to work or are parasites on the rest of us...it would help keep crime down also for the law abiding .we could ship out the social welfare each week ....
No problem building social housing on the mainland for those who work but arent earning enough to purchase their own houses....but definitely the welfare parasites in their pyjamas for the islands...
 

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The current policy is for a mix of private and social side by side, with the reason given that building social housing all in the one place was a mistake. Maybe that policy will do a U-turn in the future. Can the above two posts be moved to handbagging?
One could argue why work and pay for your house when the local dosser who spends his time in the bookies will be handed the same house as you.
 

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One could argue why work and pay for your house when the local dosser who spends his time in the bookies will be handed the same house as you.
My estate has plenty of social and affordable housing (under the old part v mix), it's a nice estate and it's actually those, mostly women, in the estate from social housing that keep the place tidy with a good old fashioned clean up every now and then, there's a decent community spirit. 29% of the population require assistance with their housing needs, ranging from a slight subsidy to near on full subsidy, the local dosser risks getting tossed out if they're spending all their money in the bookies when they keep missing their rent, there's plenty on the housing list more deserving. Now maybe that doesn't happen often enough but I have come across it. I bought mine and I don't worry too much about how others in the estate managed to house themselves. I know other paid more than me, and others paid less.
 


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