Conflict of interest in public sector pay negotiations with pay of TDs tied to pay of principal officer rank of civil service

patslatt

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Conflict of interest in public sector pay negotiations with pay of TDs tied to pay of principal officer rank of civil service

See https://www.rte.ie/news/2016/1020/825582-fempi-payments/

In government and business negotiations, members of negotiating teams are expected to excuse themselves from the negotiations when there is a conflict of interest between their professional, business or financial interests and their role as independent negotiators. However,this rule doesn't apply in public sector pay negotiations.

Clearly,government ministers are conflicted in that their pay awards which affect principal officers directly benefit their party TDs who are close friends, members of their political factions and supporters for ministerial offices. For instance, a minister who is perceived as parsimonious on public sector pay might lose support of TDs for staying on as minister or in a bid for leadership of the party.

Conflicts of interest aside, it doesn't make sense to link pay of TDs to that of principal officer whose jobs are technocratic and specialised. The skills of TDs lie in developing a following among the public, advocacy for political causes and public relations, skills similar to those of business brokers, consultants and public relations officers. It would make sense to link pay of TDS to these professions.

Since the link with pay of principal officer gives the impression that the public sector pay negotiations are biased, the link should be ended immediately.
 


Mrwoody

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A civil servant negotiation with a civil servant for a pay rise there always going to be only one out come, its like asking yourself to give yourself a pay rise.
 

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Would not be the same as Union officials, take the ASTI, their general secretary is also a teacher, a couple of years the general secretary was John White a teacher.
 

carlovian

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Same story when the government sit round to discuss landlord-tenant relations
in housing.

Somehow the landlords in the government keep supporting their fellow
landlords.

Strange allright.
 

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Public Sector & the Dole Heads will be looked after...those law abiding in Private Sector Middle Ireland..will be ignored and given a bit of Lip Service..

More Holidays for Teachers!
 

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making waves

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Why not tie it to the pay they received in the last year before being elected?
Why not - let the rich b*stards keep getting more than they deserve - and what if someone was on the dole?

typical neo-liberal horsesh*te.
 

wexfordman

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Why not - let the rich b*stards keep getting more than they deserve - and what if someone was on the dole?

typical neo-liberal horsesh*te.
But why set them to the average industrial wage?
 

making waves

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But why set them to the average industrial wage?
If political representatives are supposed to be 'representing' people then they should be paid the average industrial wage so they at least understand the problems faced by people on the AIW or less. How can someone earning three times the AIW plus expenses know what it is like to live like the 90% poorest section of the population?
 

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Why not - let the rich b*stards keep getting more than they deserve - and what if someone was on the dole?

typical neo-liberal horsesh*te.
If they were on the dole that's what they would get.

Why should anyone profit from being a td?
 

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If political representatives are supposed to be 'representing' people then they should be paid the average industrial wage so they at least understand the problems faced by people on the AIW or less. How can someone earning three times the AIW plus expenses know what it is like to live like the 90% poorest section of the population?
They also represent the 90% of the richest section of the population.

By your warped logic they should know what it's like to live like them.
 

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If political representatives are supposed to be 'representing' people then they should be paid the average industrial wage so they at least understand the problems faced by people on the AIW or less. How can someone earning three times the AIW plus expenses know what it is like to live like the 90% poorest section of the population?
By sleeping rough for a night? Maybe the TDs remember experiencing some hard times in their student days, living on beans and sardines on toast after blowing their allowance on drink?
 

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Simple - make it the 75% median earnings across all sectors (getting that data for self employed is hard tho)

cyp
 

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SF tried that once but didn't like it..
The reason SF had that policy I think was because of the case of the Workers Party of Ireland where their TDs apart from one decided to abandon the mass of the Party and formed a new one that was Social Democratic as opposed to Socialist.
 


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