Congrats, Mr Assad! Russia's post-victory boost to the Syrian economy

Wascurito

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Things are getting back to normal in Syria after the victory of Bashir al-Assad over various opposition forces who were trying to overthrow his regime. There are still areas under the control of the rebels, including Islamic State but the international community has accepted that Assad has won (with the assistance of his Russian and Iranian allies) and that it's only a matter of time before the remaining rebel areas are eliminated.

As a sign of this normalization, the Damascus International Trade Fair is being held at the moment. This is the first time it has been held since the war broke out in 2011 and by all accounts it has been an amazing success with thousands of business people and representatives from 45 countries taking part. Even Egypt - a leading Sunni nation - sent a delegation in a sign that Cairo wants to normalize relations with Assad.

However, the Syrians have stated that major investment opportunities will be targeted towards those "brotherly" countries who stood by the government in the long years while it battled rebels in various parts of the country. That would include Russia, China and Iran (and also, Oman apparently). The Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia probably won't get a look in. :lol:

Tourism is one area where Syria could really shine in future. With nearly 200km of coast, there is every reason to believe that Syria could challenge its neighbours as a future sun holiday destination. And the "brotherly" Russians are hoping to help in that regard. 10 million Russians holiday in Turkey every year and the Russians are planning to encourage them to choose Syria instead. This could be an enormous boost to the recovering country where in the last decade (2000-2009), tourist arrivals amounted to on average about 3 million per year.

Before the war, tourism was worth 12-14% of the economy but if the Russians start arriving in numbers, that could add 20 percentage points to GDP - in tourism alone. For the first time in years, things are starting to look bright again in Syria.


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You DO realise that 'Mr Assad' is a war criminal, don't you?

Or maybe you don't think it relevant?
 

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You DO realise that 'Mr Assad' is a war criminal, don't you?

Or maybe you don't think it relevant?
He won the war and he'll be smart enough not go anywhere where he's likely to be fingered.

I actually wonder if any western countries will be bothered to pursue him. He may be an SOB but he's not an Islamic State SOB.
 

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Hopefully peace will last. The Syrian people are overdue for some good news.
 

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You DO realise that 'Mr Assad' is a war criminal, don't you?

Or maybe you don't think it relevant?
So is Tony Blair
 

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Things are getting back to normal in Syria after the victory of Bashir al-Assad over various opposition forces who were trying to overthrow his regime. There are still areas under the control of the rebels, including Islamic State but the international community has accepted that Assad has won (with the assistance of his Russian and Iranian allies) and that it's only a matter of time before the remaining rebel areas are eliminated.

As a sign of this normalization, the Damascus International Trade Fair is being held at the moment. This is the first time it has been held since the war broke out in 2011 and by all accounts it has been an amazing success with thousands of business people and representatives from 45 countries taking part. Even Egypt - a leading Sunni nation - sent a delegation in a sign that Cairo wants to normalize relations with Assad.

However, the Syrians have stated that major investment opportunities will be targeted towards those "brotherly" countries who stood by the government in the long years while it battled rebels in various parts of the country. That would include Russia, China and Iran (and also, Oman apparently). The Wahhabis of Saudi Arabia probably won't get a look in. :lol:

Tourism is one area where Syria could really shine in future. With nearly 200km of coast, there is every reason to believe that Syria could challenge its neighbours as a future sun holiday destination. And the "brotherly" Russians are hoping to help in that regard. 10 million Russians holiday in Turkey every year and the Russians are planning to encourage them to choose Syria instead. This could be an enormous boost to the recovering country where in the last decade (2000-2009), tourist arrivals amounted to on average about 3 million per year.

Before the war, tourism was worth 12-14% of the economy but if the Russians start arriving in numbers, that could add 20 percentage points to GDP - in tourism alone. For the first time in years, things are starting to look bright again in Syria.
It will be a long time before Syria will be receiving tourists in their hordes, even the Russians will hesitate.
 

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He won the war and he'll be smart enough not go anywhere where he's likely to be fingered.

I actually wonder if any western countries will be bothered to pursue him. He may be an SOB but he's not an Islamic State SOB.
So the weight of his crimes is to be determined by whether he's brought to book or not?

He's not IS, therefore he's your hero.

Okay. Just wondering in which direction your moral compass was pointing.
 

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Delighted that Syria has survived Al Qaeda, ISIS, John McCain, and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Assad, whilst far from perfect, has at least prevented Syria turning into another Libya (thanks Hillary).

What this tells us that an Arab people, nominally muslim majority, can reject the backwardness of the past, and instead face the future. That it can reject sectarianism.

This is the best hope in the Middle East, not because it has hydrocarbons, because it is one society were the people decided to fight Salafism, even though Salafism was better funded, and better connected in the outside world. Because it is one society that decided to follow through on protecting those who said no to extremism.

In this case, the Arabs said enough of the past, let's face the future.

By the way, the Beirut area is a frequently visited by Saudis who want to drink, have pork, and bet on sports. Freedom, though often subdued, always sneaks back. With underground athiests, underground Christians, continuing to reject control of how they think.

This is the turning point in the war on fanaticism.

Someday, I hope that in the Middle East, it will be possible for all people to read, and speak freely concerning the contents of The Torah, The New Testament, the texts of Hinduism, Confucian teachings, The Tao, Zaroastian texts, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Monty Python, Christopher Hitchens, all the works of philosophy, the works of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and anything they wish. Which is now possible thanks to the internet, and fundamental laws in most of the world outside the Middle East.

And to conduct an open conversation about the contents.

And to be able to wear what they want. To come out of whatever closet they want. And to do whatever they want.

That the only thing that will be deemed above criticism, is the right of the individual to determine their own happiness, and life - free from bearded old fools.
 

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So the weight of his crimes is to be determined by whether he's brought to book or not?

He's not IS, therefore he's your hero.

Okay. Just wondering in which direction your moral compass was pointing.
Explain.
 

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"From the ashes of the past we shall build our coming glory".

For a fan of Nelson Mandela such as Hewson to go on about someone else being a war criminal is nothing short of vomit inducing.
 

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Delighted that Syria has survived Al Qaeda, ISIS, John McCain, and Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Assad, whilst far from perfect, has at least prevented Syria turning into another Libya (thanks Hillary).

What this tells us that an Arab people, nominally muslim majority, can reject the backwardness of the past, and instead face the future. That it can reject sectarianism.

This is the best hope in the Middle East, not because it has hydrocarbons, because it is one society were the people decided to fight Salafism, even though Salafism was better funded, and better connected in the outside world. Because it is one society that decided to follow through on protecting those who said no to extremism.

In this case, the Arabs said enough of the past, let's face the future.

By the way, the Beirut area is a frequently visited by Saudis who want to drink, have pork, and bet on sports. Freedom, though often subdued, always sneaks back. With underground athiests, underground Christians, continuing to reject control of how they think.

This is the turning point in the war on fanaticism.

Someday, I hope that in the Middle East, it will be possible for all people to read, and speak freely concerning the contents of The Torah, The New Testament, the texts of Hinduism, Confucian teachings, The Tao, Zaroastian texts, Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, Monty Python, Christopher Hitchens, all the works of philosophy, the works of Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and anything they wish. Which is now possible thanks to the internet, and fundamental laws in most of the world outside the Middle East.

And to conduct an open conversation about the contents.

And to be able to wear what they want. To come out of whatever closet they want. And to do whatever they want.

That the only thing that will be deemed above criticism, is the right of the individual to determine their own happiness, and life - free from bearded old fools.
I think (hope) that Libya was the turning point for western governments. Surely they now know they can't go steaming into some Arab country to kick out the bad guy in the name of Freedom and Democracy and expect it all to end perfectly.

By the way, the Beirut area is a frequently visited by Saudis who want to drink, have pork, and bet on sports.
And snort and/or inject any drug known to humanity.

And screw the derriére of anything regardless of gender. (And in some cases species.)
 

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He may be the least bad option at this stage but I don't think I will ever be enthusiastic about the guy after what he did.
 

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It's quite simple. You see Assad's 'victory' as a triumph of good over evil. This despite the fact that what turned into a calamitous civil war started out as a basic demand for more democracy? You're familiar with what democracy is, I presume, as opposed to the autocracy Syrians have endured for decades?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/feb/07/saydnaya-prison-assad-slaugterhouse-amnesty-report-torture-mass-hangings
If all you can do is pretend I'm saying stuff that I clearly have not said, I won't waste much time on these exchanges.

I don't regard Assad as good but I do regard him as a better bet than the motley group of rebels who spent as much time slaughtering each other as they did Syrian soldiers. Do you seriously think that they offer anything more to the Syrian people than decades of chaos as they fight each other over hectare after hectare of rubble and mangled bodies?

What would your preferred outcome have been, Hewson? And be precise. None of this vague stuff about freedom and democracy.
 
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End of Syrian War - Winners and Losers

https://elijahjm.wordpress.com/2017/08/11/what-has-the-us-got-out-of-the-war-in-syria-a-new-middle-east-as-seen-by-the-resistance-crescent-and-not-the-us/

Faced with HRC and Obama's attempt at introducing a new world order on the middle east and an Islamic crescent funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia it has all gone wrong for the USA.

CIA spent a billon dollars training a couple of supposed rebels and funding IS and Al Qaeda or as they call them FSA. Even now everybody ignores the FSA.

UK, France and others happily talked of the opposition while invading and training head hackers.

Turkey happily supported and looted Aleppo and benefitted by billions in Oil sales and funding, US attempts to remove Erdogan failed and now Turkey is within Russian sphere of influence and likely to remain so.

Saudi Arabia and Qatar have now officially pulled out, despite claiming they have never been involved with losses in the order of circa €30 billion and thousands of Jiohadis trained and a fight among themselves.

Israeli's support for anybody who were anti Assad knew no limits and they happily fed, provided supplies to and medical attention to anybody and everybody even when the people they supported would happily destroy Israel.

All of the above are the losers because they were bought off with fools gold.

Syria stayed behind Assad and rejected the chaos of the west paid for by the Gulf states.
Western Media bought and paid for kept to the script pushed by Western Government even when faced by overhwleming facts like Aleppo last year.

The clear winners are Syrian people despite the wholsale destruction of the country supported by the West. They still united behind Assad and still wish to remain secular where freedom of religion is respected.

Russia is also a clear winner because they showed what they could do while the much vauted and hyped NATO airforces avoided attacking ISIS becasue of supposed collateral damage, strange how it has never been a concern in other air wars NATO has been involved in under whatever name they dream up.

Hezbollah also a clear winner as battle trained it showed what it could do and provided the backbone in many cases early in the war when SAA weren't up to the task.

Iran also a winner because it supplied and supported legitmate Govt.

The war will still go on for a while but the speed of attacks on ISIS/Al Qaeda / FSA and the elimination of them will happen rapidly, no one will mourne their demise, especially their paymasters who will worry that they will get tied to their actions.

The Shia crescent that Saudi's terrified of has happened and they will do everything they can to start a war at someone elses expense.
However Saudi's have shown after 2 1/2 years of incompetence of their supposed vaunted military in Yemen that they are not a threat to anybody.

Sadly the people who promoted the Regime doctrine in Western Cities will as always escape from any censure but fully expect that there will be a settlement over time in the Mid east.

Israel who had a hostile but benign regime north of it will now have a fully militarised country with a battle trained army on its border with a highly trained Hezbollah in Lebannon all itching for revenge.

Europe pays the price of hundreds of Jihadis returning to wage war on their streets for next 2 decades while those who lit the flame claim it was someone else's fault.
 

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And snort and/or inject any drug known to humanity.

And screw the derriére of anything regardless of gender. (And in some cases species.)
That can be done in Islamic Republic of Iran, and Saudi Arabia also. It is just that people are scared witless of being found out. In fact Iran is rotten with both drug abuse and STDs. Marajuana is available to those that are in the know in Saudi Arabia.

The most popular internet search term in Pakistan, relates to gay sex - even though it is illegal in Pakistan, because of the dominant belief system.

To say nothing of the widespread animal fetish, in multiple countries in the region.

Maybe a more open, healthy approach might be better.
 


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