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Console Charity - Are Irish charities a money making machine for their founders


Lumpy Talbot

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I doubt many donors would object to a charity employing someone to make sure the governance paperwork is right. It contributes to the bottom line and reputation of the charity at the end of the day.

Not being compliant is ultimately much more expensive for the charity.
 

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The curious thing about Ireland is that the HSE is in prime position to be able to make demands in terms of governance, mainly because it is the primary funder of many charities.

It would be simple for the HSE to notify all charities applying to it for funding what governance information they need to make available to the HSE.

The information received would be auditable and should definitely include information on remuneration for trustees and directors.
No play, no pay.

The HSE would have to signal far and wide what they were asking for, why, and by when. And that public information element would prevent the usual dragging of injured bodies about that certain charity boards would indulge in as a distraction from providing the information.
 

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The curious thing about Ireland is that the HSE is in prime position to be able to make demands in terms of governance, mainly because it is the primary funder of many charities.

It would be simple for the HSE to notify all charities applying to it for funding what governance information they need to make available to the HSE.

The information received would be auditable and should definitely include information on remuneration for trustees and directors.
No play, no pay.

The HSE would have to signal far and wide what they were asking for, why, and by when. And that public information element would prevent the usual dragging of injured bodies about that certain charity boards would indulge in as a distraction from providing the information.
I wouldnt have the same confidence in the HSE as you have. I know of one charity where HSE audit made a song and dance about a relatively trivial amount (less than €50) being spent inappropriately (and I would be of the view that the expenditure was not inappropriate, although a grey area).

The same HSE audit overlooked, or missed a much more material item relating to accounting treatment of significant amounts. There was no cash astray - it was pure theoretical and highly technical accounting treatment which was picked up by the "real" auditor.

But the HSe does request a lot of information about governance etc etc
 

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Another epic charity none of us ever heard of:

Charity with 23 staff had no monthly payroll reports; Alcohol purchases claimed in expenses | Irish Examiner


Who are they:

https://www.epiconline.ie/

But nothing there about how this charity started. Formally known as IAYPIC ....
If the government did its job, there would be ZERO need for this organisation. If there were proper standards in the HSE which were enforced rigorously (as they should be), this organisation would never even have been conceived. Even after the Childrens Rights referendum, the government of this country sat back and did sweet FA as usual. They are a disgrace.

And what of the Charities Regulator. They have been in existence since 2014. What have they done as regards stamping out this kind of negligent rubbish?
 

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The curious thing about Ireland is that the HSE is in prime position to be able to make demands in terms of governance, mainly because it is the primary funder of many charities.

It would be simple for the HSE to notify all charities applying to it for funding what governance information they need to make available to the HSE.

The information received would be auditable and should definitely include information on remuneration for trustees and directors.
No play, no pay.

The HSE would have to signal far and wide what they were asking for, why, and by when. And that public information element would prevent the usual dragging of injured bodies about that certain charity boards would indulge in as a distraction from providing the information.
The HSE are in no position to do any of that. If their own governance was up to scratch, we would not have the pitiful reports of neglect from their own organisation as we see on a consistent basis. The HSE appears to have zero clue of proper governance....or much else to be fair.
 

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The HSE are in no position to do any of that. If their own governance was up to scratch, we would not have the pitiful reports of neglect from their own organisation as we see on a consistent basis. The HSE appears to have zero clue of proper governance....or much else to be fair.
I will agree with you that the HSE does operate as a slush fund for covering up all sorts of negligence. Usually with non-disclosure agreements attached which does little for governance and regulatory standards in medical settings in Ireland.

I suspect this quiet cash-cow approach is solely responsible for claims of the Irish health service being among the best in the world. It works in the same way that failure to prosecute and publicise corruption cases allows whitewashers to claim corruption is non-existent.
 

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Ignore charities, ignore sponsorship requests, you are only fooling yourself if you think they are doing good with your money.
 

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How many administrators of these "charities" have received Person of the Year" awards presented by Miriam the Nations Sweetheart at lavish receptions in some 5 star hotel?
Massive rip offs all round
 

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How many administrators of these "charities" have received Person of the Year" awards presented by Miriam the Nations Sweetheart at lavish receptions in some 5 star hotel?
Massive rip offs all round


About the Awards - People of the Year Awards


Unreal, but here is Rehab Ireland in the thick of it, Flannery and Kerins stroking away for many years use it as a cover for their own abuse of the system, pair of cants.
 

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This is the meal served to my mum in her care home this evening. She has dementia. Is in her 80s. How many people of that era cooked/ ate this processed artificial Food? Why couldn't they serve mashed potatoes and green veg?

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'Care homes' are about making a quick buck and not caring for our mothers.

That's why they employ 'carers' from Brazil and Romania #profitsbeforepeople

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That isn’t food

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It’s awful 😢

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Check out the CQC website on care homes. Standards expected. How to complain & reporting to their organisation.

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Thanks Elaine, will do.

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Not like. This is a joke when you see how much these places charge.

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Donna Rainey


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My mum was an excellent cook and baker. Fresh wholesome food was what she prepared and ate. This is alien food.

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It;s not food it's a food like product,

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I am so sorry to know your mum is being given such awful food Donna x

It broke my heart to watch my mum being fed food like this. Just a few days before she died they brought her in a bowl of pureed pasta. No sauce, Just pureed pasta. She had never had processed food before

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Brigit it is horrendous. Mum was in her own home until a few weeks ago. We never served her this type of food. It's seen as normal fare it seems. If I hadn't been there to mash it all up she probably wouldn't have managed to eat it at all! Totally unsuitable. No nutritional value

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I can't bear that our precious elderly people are given food like this Donna. I used to take food in for my mum so she would eat, but when I didn't, she barely ate a thing. She was paying over £4,500 per month too. Keep taking photos and keeping records
 

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There is something very cringe-inducing about philanthropy award ceremonies in lavish surroundings alright. It is a perfect area too for the con-man or con-woman.

You get endless slaps on the back for being great while enriching yourself on the quiet. It is almost as bad as 'CEO of the Year' type stuff in the corporate world.

Actually the more I think about it the closer they are. After all Rehab has made something of a specialty in giving the impression it is a socially worthy charity with only the welfare of the people who find work with them at top of mind but in Rehab's case it started looking and acting at least at board level like any exploitative corporation with people at the top front and centre in the deception of presenting a business as a charity for tax and social reasons while operating very much like a corporate with less than optimal governance.
 

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Not unusual that in Ireland though. There are some national agencies who openly present themselves as lobbyists for a business when dealing with government, as a charity on their public facing website and very definitely as a charity when it comes to the Revenue Commissioners.

And all with plenty of room for sociopathic social climbers to build little dynasties in organisations which sooner or later start to smell of corruption.
 

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There is something very cringe-inducing about philanthropy award ceremonies in lavish surroundings alright. It is a perfect area too for the con-man or con-woman.

You get endless slaps on the back for being great while enriching yourself on the quiet. It is almost as bad as 'CEO of the Year' type stuff in the corporate world.

Actually the more I think about it the closer they are. After all Rehab has made something of a specialty in giving the impression it is a socially worthy charity with only the welfare of the people who find work with them at top of mind but in Rehab's case it started looking and acting at least at board level like any exploitative corporation with people at the top front and centre in the deception of presenting a business as a charity for tax and social reasons while operating very much like a corporate with less than optimal governance.



They tell the State to plss off when it comes to disclosing any information about private donations or monies collected from the public, this is where they top up salaries and pensions way beyond any Govt guidelines.

Kerins also thought of herself as a property developer with Rehab assets, God only knows what deals she was trying to do hanging out with big sharks like Paul Coulson, questions need to be asked and answered under oath, she had a discretion on the bank account of 50k, serious damage could have been done.
 
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