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Consultation Process On Client Criminalisation In Paid For Sex Transaction Closes On Friday.


General Urko

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Similar to ourselves and Northern Ireland there has been a consultation process in Scotland re overhauling the current laws relating to prostitution with a view to criminalising the client high on the likely final legislative outcome.
The consultation document is available at http://www.scottish....ills/54314.aspx
You do not have to be a UK citizen or Scottish resident to submit to this open forum, it is closed on Friday, presumably at close of business feel free to email your views as indicated in the document.
It could save a vulnerable working woman's life!
An organisation called Scot-Pep has been set up by concerned people there including women freely working in the sex industry to fight this absurd nonsense and guideline letters of theirs can be found at http://scot-pep.org....ponse-templates
The main proponent and sponsor of this bill is a lady from the Highlands, Rhoda Grant who makes Senator Ronan Mullan look like an urbane sophisticated European intellectual by comparisson! She can be emailed (politely please) at Rhoda.Grant.msp@scottish.parliament.uk
 

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I just submitted my views!
 

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Rhoda Grant has published all the reponses she has received! I will post more on This shortly!
 
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The bill proposing to criminalise the buyer in Sexual transactions, is up for debate and voting in the Scottish Parliament shortly (possibly within the next 10 days!) If successful, it's proposed by an SMP from the Highlands and Islands, Rhoda Grant, who was never actually directly elected (she got to parliament on the list system), and has a lot of support from the Scottish Labour Party and SNP, it will place unbelievable pressure on the next Westminister government to bring it into England and Wales. Don't forget this government will almost certainly have Harriet Harperson as home secretary and she has a frothing at the mouth enthusiasm for such misandry!

The Bill -
Proposed Criminalisation of the Purchase of Sex (Scotland) Bill (2) - Parliamentary Business :  Scottish Parliament

The consultation process and spin put on it prior to its introduction -

http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_MembersBills/FINAL_consultation_summary.pd

She obviously contacted every religious organisation and radical feminist group in Scotland to bump up support for her views!

Rhoda Grant's justification for her insane and extremely dangerous bill -

The case for the Criminalisation of the Purchase of Sex Bill

Amnesty International clarification as to its opposing viewpoint (Grant took the views of one chapter of this esteemed organisation as supportive of the insanity, whereas head office certainly does not support it) -

Amnesty, human rights and the criminalisation of sex work

A dose of reality from The Herald In Scotland on the debate -

'Law does nothing to help sex workers' | Herald Scotland

Scottish sex workers' views -

About SCOT-PEP | SCOT-PEP

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A list of members of the Scottish Parliament, who can be e-mailed on this directly -

Current MSPs - MSPs :  Scottish Parliament

Please remember that The Price Of Freedom Is Eternal Vigilance!
 

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I've changed my mind. Prostitution should be illegal. :)
Is it not waaaaaaay passed your bed time?
Prostitution should not be illegal!
Trafficking/Coercing another human being into the sex trade (or any other) should be severely punished in law!
Attacks on sex workers should carry an extra tariff in sentencing as should attacks on other vulnerable groups
Any punter using/abusing an underage sex worker or one who is obviously directly under the influence of drink/drugs to such an extent giving free consent is impossible should be prosecuted!
It's also much more preferable to keep all paid for encounters behind closed doors on premises which can be checked by the authorities re H and S etc.
 

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I demand the right to sell my body.
 

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It was an open consultation on a human rights matter!
 

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I think all prostitutes, male and female, should be put in NAMA. Then they could be f*cked on expenses every day.
 

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it's proposed by an SMP from the Highlands and Islands, Rhoda Grant, who was never actually directly elected (she got to parliament on the list system)
Was that really necessary? Party list systesm are in use in numerous democratic countries such as Germany, New Zealand and Austria. The parties publish the list and it is scruntinised in the run up to the election.

Not every country has to conform to your Irish centric view of what constitutes an ideal democracy. Surely by the standard you're setting for being a legitimate proponent/opponent of a policy decredits the media, NGOs and yourself. You have no democratic legitimacy, nobody here voted for you, who gives you the legitimacy to campaign against this policy?
 

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The Bill Has Failed!

Just as we are about to embark on this madness, its main proponent has seen her bill fell on its face in Scotland -

Rhoda Grant did not succeed in getting cross party support, some independents and the Lib Dems were particularly against it! It has now failed but they haven't gone away you know, expect another attempt into the future!
In fairness she put more thought into her effort including targeting women's groups and religious organisations for their inevitable reponses than Pringle's populist nonsense effort did!
She ultimately failed this time because Scottish Sex workers lobbied their SNPs to point out how insane it actually is to have legislation like this and how much more difficult life would be for them with this unwanted protection!
They of course haven't gone away you know!
 

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Was that really necessary? Party list systesm are in use in numerous democratic countries such as Germany, New Zealand and Austria. The parties publish the list and it is scruntinised in the run up to the election.

Not every country has to conform to your Irish centric view of what constitutes an ideal democracy. Surely by the standard you're setting for being a legitimate proponent/opponent of a policy decredits the media, NGOs and yourself. You have no democratic legitimacy, nobody here voted for you, who gives you the legitimacy to campaign against this policy?
My legitimacy on this one comes from my humanity!
To be honest in the same way that I feel a senator in Ireland has no real democratic mandate (Oh, I'm going to love voting to abolish it!), I feel somebody elected as an MP through a list system lacks the credibility of being a directly elected one and many would share that view!
Actually in France, it has happened in recent times that you can become prime minister without ever having been elected directly or not to anything, now that's even more daft and a bigger affront to the democratic process in my opinion! Hey, despite having 1 or 2 faults, I love PR, Irish style!
 

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The SNP directed its MSP not to support the bill
The Fake Socialists(The Scottish Labour Party, The Scottish FF) supported it -
Their view is that this bill will address the imbalance in our current
law which criminalises the victim but not the perpetrator. The purpose of this legislati on
would be to decrease demand and thereby begin to tackle an industry that preys on
vulnerable people.
The Scottish Torries however saw beyond the populism and the insanity -
They believe that a balance needs to be struck between the freedom of individuals and the protection of the public. Individuals should have the freedom to choose to engage in consensual sexual activity as long as this doesn’t harm or exploit others. The issue of human trafficking can be separated from consensual sexual activity between individuals.
 
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