Corbyn, a serial rebeller...demands conformity of thought and loyalty from Labour

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Corbyn, in testament to his Stalinist-Marxist lineage, has been setting up a 'party within a party' , including a secretive intelligence and loyalty monitoring function

Jeremy Corbyn critics fear

Sources at the top of the party said there were fears that an emboldened Corbyn would now try to stamp his authority on the party and “pick off” dissenters. Frontbenchers have already been emailed with a reminder of their duty to respect the leadership’s wishes, it is understood. Corbyn’s office has also made it clear to the shadow cabinet that they “know who has been briefing” against the leader.


Can Jeremy Corbyn crack the whip? - BBC News
During 13 years of Labour government - between 1997 and 2010 - Mr Corbyn was the party's most rebellious MP, defying his party's whip 428 times.
Can such a serial rebel...impose authoritarianism with STASI-esque overtones...on a party that he never really supported...and only gained its leadership due to revolutionary 'entryists' who have infiltrated the party ?

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Its called principle. "Food bank Britain" needs to be rescued from the vampires. There is a lot wrong with Corbyn but this isnt it. Oh and the UK has been sliding into a police state since Thatcher.
 

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Can such a serial rebel...impose authoritarianism with STASI-esque overtones...on a party that he never really supported...and only gained its leadership due to revolutionary 'entryists' who have infiltrated the party ?

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Corbyn and co have become the biggest hypocrites in British politics.

They've spent decades exercising their right to rebel and vote against various leaders - now absolute loyalty is demanded & his closest allies call for the sackings & expulsions of any MPs who do not support every action of the leader.

It's rank hypocrisy and indefensible by all but the most deluded.
 

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Labour is no longer Blair's project. He took the party away from the people

who had voted for a certain set of principals all their lives.

He won 3 elections but............it ended so badly.

Now the 'little' people want their voice to be heard and they have decided

that Corbyn is their best leader so we must go along with what the majority

want. It's called democracy.
 

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Get real, the labour party is meant to offer an alternative, not sit and cheer on the tories (like Hilarious Benn)
 

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Get real, the labour party is meant to offer an alternative, not sit and cheer on the tories (like Hilarious Benn)
If they were meant to vote a certain way, then he shouldn't have given them a free vote.
 

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Corbyn, in testament to his Stalinist-Marxist lineage, has been setting up a 'party within a party' , including a secretive intelligence and loyalty monitoring function
Do you really think this is anything like as strong as the authoritarian grip Blair had on the party? If you're looking for a totalitarian leadership bent, look at Blair, Mandelson and Campbell (grudgingly supported by Brown). It's ham-fisted leadership by Corbyn, sure, but this is just a ripple after the Blairite years.
 

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If they were meant to vote a certain way, then he shouldn't have given them a free vote.
Which doesn't quite conform to the notion of Corbyn demanding conformity. This carry on Iraq will see him very much vindicated.
 

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Labour is no longer Blair's project. He took the party away from the people

who had voted for a certain set of principals all their lives.

He won 3 elections but............it ended so badly.

Now the 'little' people want their voice to be heard and they have decided

that Corbyn is their best leader so we must go along with what the majority

want. It's called democracy.
Oh please, it is absolute nonsense that Blair somehow stole the Labour party from the left. The left tore the party apart in the 1980s and made it unelectable for almost 20 years.

By contrast Blair gave also gave the party the three biggest electoral victories it has ever had, including two landslides - that's democracy. He never lost an election.

In Blairs party the likes of Livingstone & Corbyn & co were tolerated - they were never threatened with expulsion or bombarded with abuse and threats for voting against the party leader.
 

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It's ham-fisted leadership by Corbyn, sure, but this is just a ripple after the Blairite years.
It tolerated the likes of Corbyn and Livinstone & co routinely voting against the party and criticizing the leader without expelling them.
 

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Which doesn't quite conform to the notion of Corbyn demanding conformity.
Well he offered a free vote and yet his closest aides and allies are now pondering sacking and expelling the MPs who actually took up the offer - it's hardly a glowing endorsement of the tolerance they were shown for decades, is it.
 

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Corbyn, in testament to his Stalinist-Marxist lineage, has been setting up a 'party within a party' , including a secretive intelligence and loyalty monitoring function

Jeremy Corbyn critics fear





Can Jeremy Corbyn crack the whip? - BBC News


Can such a serial rebel...impose authoritarianism with STASI-esque overtones...on a party that he never really supported...and only gained its leadership due to revolutionary 'entryists' who have infiltrated the party ?

Cyp
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Well he offered a free vote and yet his closest aides and allies are now pondering sacking and expelling the MPs who actually took up the offer - it's hardly a glowing endorsement of the tolerance they were shown for decades, is it.
Sources within his critics? Really?
 

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It tolerated the likes of Corbyn and Livinstone & co routinely voting against the party and criticizing the leader without expelling them.
Easy to do with massive majorities. Why bother reining in the extremists - let them fulminate, call it party democracy, get the vote through anyway.
 

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The anti-democratic way Andrew Fisher and Corbynistas hurl abuse at those they disagree with
On economic policy at least, my own politics are not hugely dissimilar to those of the so-called "hard Left". I believe the greatest threat to well-being in Britain is economic inequality.
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The warning signs were there during the recent leadership contest, when everyone with second thoughts about Jeremy Corbyn was informed by the Twitter Stasi that they were in fact "Tory-lite" and should "f**k off". ...
Yet for Leftists like Andrew Fisher, disagreement is considered an acceptable reason to, as Hirsh puts it, "push opponents out of the room" by showering them with abuse. This anti-democratic mentality – a mentality which seeks to delegitimize all opposition based on the view that it is motivated by bad faith - is far more worrisome that any alleged "disloyalty" on Fisher's part.
Corbyn’s views pale into insignificance when compared to his associations and methods

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Well he offered a free vote and yet his closest aides and allies are now pondering sacking and expelling the MPs who actually took up the offer - it's hardly a glowing endorsement of the tolerance they were shown for decades, is it.
Good strategy- let the flowers blossom as they will and than pluck out which you dont like. On the last budget Cameron reserved his previous basically kill the poor policies to some extent.
 

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Corbyn "rebelled" because he stuck to his principles.

He "rebelled" against issues he was elected by his constituents to not vote for.

He did so knowing he'd never be promoted or expect senior office.

As regards setting up a "party within a party" . . .Ha ha - Happens in every political party. The leader surrounds himself with people of like mind.
 
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There were bad candidates in the LP leadership battle and he won by a big margin, it was basically Corbyn against a bunch of indistinguishable candidates. I don't think the LP hierarchy got the result they expected coming from the reforms implemented after the wrong Miliband got elected, turned out the grassroots were more militant than the unions. There's a long road ahead, looks like the British public like their parties drawn between toffs and slightly lesser toffs, corduroy jackets with leather patches on the elbows are out.
 

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Corbyn "rebelled" because he stuck to his principles.

He "rebelled" against issues he was not elected by his constituents to vote for.
It should be noted that on the night of the vote, Robert here in his furious rage demanded that any Labour MPs that did not vote with Corbyn be sacked.

Corbyn "rebelled" because he stuck to his principles.
And now you demand he sack others for sticking to their principles. Hypocrite.
 


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