Corbyn, a serial rebeller...demands conformity of thought and loyalty from Labour

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Corbyn won a landslide election. He has a very strong mandate to lead the Party in the direction he promised when campaigning, and so it's only natural that he will seek to structure his Party accordingly and give prominent positions to those whose views are more representative of the people who voted for Corbyn.

Where is the issue here?

He refuses to be beholden to the Lobbyist and Media.

Corbyn first elected when he succeeded Michael O'Halloran (From Clare) in 1983, O'Halloran has jumped ship to SDP when all Islington councillors did but Labour regained all seats at next council elections

People are not seeing what is happening in Politics where the Media / Lobbying is turning people against politicians, Le Pen and Trump are not quirks in election process.
 


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He refuses to be beholden to the Lobbyist and Media.

Corbyn first elected when he succeeded Michael O'Halloran (From Clare) in 1983, O'Halloran has jumped ship to SDP when all Islington councillors did but Labour regained all seats at next council elections

People are not seeing what is happening in Politics where the Media / Lobbying is turning people against politicians, Le Pen and Trump are not quirks in election process.

yep public is questioning more,very good thing.
con side is sooo much info its difficult to see thru it. so kinda back to same situation.
 

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Cliche. Are the French, Russians, Germans, Jordanians and Iranians also doing the U.S. & Saudis bidding - or is it just the one member of the coalition that happens to be the UK?
These countries are not part of one coalition. They are part of separate coalitions, one of which is led by the US at the behest of the Saudis and Israel.

The other is led by Russia at the behest of Assad.
 

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Lets see Livingstone is not an MP
Reynolds is an MP no one ever heard of.
Are you serious? Livingstone is a senior party member and icon of the left, a close friend and confidant of Corbyn to the point of being appointed to help Corbyn draft defence policy.

They were just two examples.
 

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As his 'principles' include sympathizing with, and supporting, the likes of Hamas,
Hezbollah and the IRA - he can stick those 'principles' up the high hole of his arse
as far as most British people would be concerned.

He's never ever shown any inclination to oppose Islamic/Jihadi Fascism and terrorism,
except by weasel words and 'Socialist' platitudes.

In that much, yes, he's been consistent.:p
He can stick his principles wherever he likes but as you've kindly highlighted a hell of a lot of British people support his understanding of those human beings oppressed, murdered and tortured by the British powers-that-be. I'm not sure if you intended to highlight those points, Telstar, but thanks anyway.

Without complete morons like Telstar 62, justice would never be spoken about.
 

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He refuses to be beholden to the Lobbyist and Media.

People are not seeing what is happening in Politics where the Media / Lobbying is turning people against politicians, Le Pen and Trump are not quirks in election process.
Absolutely. I've said before that because he's supportive of the Palestinian people he's a marked man. The Zionists control the media, and with him being anti-establishment, anti-war and anti-US Hegemony also, he's facing an almost impossible task.
 
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Cliche. Are the French, Russians, Germans, Jordanians and Iranians also doing the U.S. & Saudis bidding - or is it just the one member of the coalition that happens to be the UK?
Saudi's stopped bombing Syria months ago and Jordanians are a UK vassal state where pretty much all their Military leadership were trained at Sandhurst.

Saudi's pumping money into countrys that support them and have been for years, wikileaks told what they do.

That's a very simple minded interpretation of what an opposition does. It is not there to automatically oppose absolutely anything the government put forward, that would be very stupid - but to decide issue by issue.
An oppositions job is to hold the Govt to account.
Jingo flag waving of "Lets support our boys" because you are a Terrorist Sympathiser if you refuse as said by Cameron shows that you need people to question what is occurring.

The Iraq thing is becoming a bit of a cliche to be honest. There is nothing ambiguous here - ISIS really are the bad guys.
Really

So illegal war, dismemberment of a country is just a cliche !!!!

Nothing has been done against the Financers of IS, nothing has been done about stopping them or the nation states that are supporting them.

Saudi's in Yemen have IS along side them in Aden and are happily supplying them with weaponry.

US DOD has stated that 1 year ago 75% of US bombing raids returned without firing a shot, even now its 33%.
Its why Pentagon has refused to release photos as it shows US did nothing.

Turkey who have received the Oil are getting a free pass even when senior US Military acknowledge that its allies are supporting IS.
 
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Are you serious? Livingstone is a senior party member and icon of the left, a close friend and confidant of Corbyn to the point of being appointed to help Corbyn draft defence policy.

They were just two examples.
Ken Livingstone has no role in Labour Party, no different than John Prescott / Tony Blair or anybody else.
 

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The SNP have taken Scotland not because they're socialist - they're not - but because they're nationalist. It's worth remarking Labour in Scotland is doing worse of late and damn nearly behind the Scottish Tories led by the very capable Ruth Davidson.
They took Scotland because they were more Social Democratic than Labour and the fact of the UK as a whole turning its back on the post World War II compromise allowed them to feed people their poison about the Scottish being not British and the English as a race being the root of all evil. The SNP very cleverly painted themselves as good nice people for a caring society in a lot of their propaganda.
 

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...the Media / Lobbying is turning people against politicians, Le Pen and Trump are not quirks in election process.
Hmm, good luck winning elections without using the media. Trump has about much chance of winning the U.S. presidency as Corbyn has of turning around the last Labour defeat.

If the Public didn't trust Ed Miliband on the economy, they certainly wont trust Corbyn and co.
 

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Ken Livingstone has no role in Labour Party, no different than John Prescott / Tony Blair or anybody else.
Really, then why has Corbyn appointed him as joint chairman of the Labour defence policy review?
 

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Hmm, good luck winning elections without using the media. Trump has about much chance of winning the U.S. presidency as Corbyn has of turning around the last Labour defeat.

If the Public didn't trust Ed Miliband on the economy, they certainly wont trust Corbyn and co.
agree and thats what makes it more fascinating...

i think the public are sick and tired of the spin factor..always will be and should be an element of spin..but politicians are playing catch up to social media,which shifts power Back to where it belongs...us apes:)
 
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Hmm, good luck winning elections without using the media. Trump has about much chance of winning the U.S. presidency as Corbyn has of turning around the last Labour defeat.

If the Public didn't trust Ed Miliband on the economy, they certainly wont trust Corbyn and co.
The assumption the media keep pushing is that people are listening to them.

Oldham showed that even with the most negative crap that was being thrown Labour increased its share of the vote.

US analysts underrate Trump simply because he is proving they are irrelevant, he hasn't needed the rich donors, he hasn't needed the lobbyists, he spent £150k on TV and is still 20 points ahead of everybody else.

If he suceeds a whole Spin industry worth billions is irrelevant.
 

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Saudi's stopped bombing Syria months ago and Jordanians are a UK vassal state where pretty much all their Military leadership were trained at Sandhurst.
The UK is a Vassal state, during the 1983 Election campaign urging people despite various of his beliefs to vote Labour Enoch Powell said that the central question was; "Is Britain to be a nation in her own right or the obedient servant and satellite of the United States?"- and a hell of a lot has happened since than.
 

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To be fair he is the elected leader. Unfortunately for him he got hardly any votes in the parliamentary party which is dominated by Blairites.
 
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Really, then why has Corbyn appointed him as joint chairman of the Labour defence policy review?
Because he needed 2 people on it, one for and one against.

It means both sides get listened to rather than a "we need trident though we can never fire it because US control it" and lets spend.

It was an Arch Tory MP who came up with the £167 billion real cost of Trident so assume that is conservative cost so why should UK be spending when it can never use it.
 

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... and Jordanians are a UK vassal state...
Wow. You probably actually believe that, don't you?

An oppositions job is to hold the Govt to account.
Nonsense. It is not and never has been the job of the opposition to unthinkingly oppose every single thing the government does - it is the job of the opposition to act as a democratic safeguard, issue by issue.

So illegal war, dismemberment of a country is just a cliche !!!!
It is rapidly becoming so. As a reference point it has become over used. This action is Syria is not illegal for a start, and the comparisons fall off from there.
 

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Why hasn't he sacked those that disagree with him?
 

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