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Corbyn positioning Labour in a post brexit fight against neo liberalism

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Post Brexit the Labour party is positioning itself against Capitalism and its strategies. That's unusual for the Labour party which hasn't tried that since one T. Blair came to power and talked about aspirations, and entrepreneurs as gods.

Corbyn was never enthusiastic about the EU and looking at how it did a number on the Mediterranean countries on behalf of big business is he wrong. All the leaders of the EU are unashamedly neo liberal. How could he be enthusiastic.

Post Brexit Corbyn has pointed out that there can be no immigration cap without a restriction on free movement.
Corbyn's immigration honesty creates a problem for Remain | Coffee House

He has said Labour 'can no longer duck the issue' of immigration and said Labour needs to change policy on immigration.


Jeremy Corbyn pledges to change Labour

John McDonnell a close ally has said Brexit means free movement must end.

John McDonnell: Brexit will end free movement of people | Politics | The Guardian


They aren't defending the free movement of labour but are talking of a UK without it. Why would committed men like Corbyn and McDonnell defend the free movement. They are real socialists, not New Labour drones. They are not followers of simple populism either. They both were on the side of progressive causes when it was very unpopular to do that. So it's not populism driving the change. Neither of them have a racist bone in their body despite all the sun media bull about anti semitism and both will be standing against racism when others can't be found .

Neo liberalism wants cheap labour. Peter Sutherland and Angela Merkel are not quakers. They are extreme neo liberals driven by profit for big business and nothing else.
Neo liberalisms problem and UKIPs problem is Corbyn and McDonnell will be able to argue against the free movement of labour as a neo liberal strategy and against the racists.
Neo Liberalism never expected this. Post Brexit UK is looking like it's going to be interesting. New Labour must be sick as parrots, they were supposed to be safe for big business.
 


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So, its racist when UKIP call for immigration controls, but not racist when Corbyn - purely from political panic - calls for immigration controls?

Still, better late than never. Hopefully SF will show same cop on.


Only idiots like Corbyn ever thought that mass immigration was based on anything other than cheap labour.
 

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Is he still squatting as the leader of Labour? The sooner they get someone in there who can address the concerns of real working people such as low wages and immigrant competition, and not the Guardian reading latte sipping types who use words like "neo-liberalism", the sooner they can get into power. It's an open goal at the moment, but Corbyn isn't even on the pitch.
 

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So, its racist when UKIP call for immigration controls, but not racist when Corbyn - purely from political panic - calls for immigration controls?

Still, better late than never. Hopefully SF will show same cop on.


Only idiots like Corbyn ever thought that mass immigration was based on anything other than cheap labour.
Corbyn has a proven record against racism. UKIP doesn't.
Corbyn has the record and the experience to be able to call out neo liberalism in its obvious ploy. A party with a pound sign as it's logo and a rich Thatcher loving tippler as it's leader was the type of opponent neo liberalism wanted.

A Socialist who analyses the actions of Capitalism and responds accordingly without fear or favour is the opposite of what Capitalism wants. They must be praying for a New Labour win.
 

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Is he still squatting as the leader of Labour? The sooner they get someone in there who can address the concerns of real working people such as low wages and immigrant competition, and not the Guardian reading latte sipping types who use words like "neo-liberalism", the sooner they can get into power. It's an open goal at the moment, but Corbyn isn't even on the pitch.
You think a Tony Blair clone would say free movement of labour could be dropped?

Corbyn is the only leader Labour cab have who will stand for the working class no matter the background or the newspaper stories.
 

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So, its racist when UKIP call for immigration controls, but not racist when Corbyn - purely from political panic - calls for immigration controls?

Still, better late than never. Hopefully SF will show same cop on.


Only idiots like Corbyn ever thought that mass immigration was based on anything other than cheap labour.
This is a sensible move from the left and lets hope the left in this State will ape their so called betters in the UK.
 

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You think a Tony Blair clone would say free movement of labour could be dropped?

Corbyn is the only leader Labour cab have who will stand for the working class no matter the background or the newspaper stories.
Do you really think anyone who is genuinely "working class" gives two figs about Palestine or "neo-liberalism"? Corbyn is a neo-liberal squatter.
 

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Do you really think anyone who is genuinely "working class" gives two figs about Palestine or "neo-liberalism"? Corbyn is a neo-liberal squatter.
If they don't care about neo liberalism then they don't care to know why they keep on getting poorer.

Corbyn is a neo-liberal squatter ? Wtf?
 

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Corbyn has a proven record against racism. UKIP doesn't.
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The sole basis for calling UKIP racist has been their immigration policy!

If Corbyn steals their clothes in an attempt to stop further loss of working class votes to UKIP then he is as much a racist as they are!
 

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If they don't care about neo liberalism then they don't care to know why they keep on getting poorer.
Ah yeah, scratch the surface of the lefty intelligentsia and you see unadulterated contempt for the average working man.

The "working class" are not interested in the debates that are being had in university debating societies, or in hipster coffee shops in Hackney. Corbyn and his gang of student radicals have hijacked Labour and they show no signs of giving it back, despite most having little or no concept of what a working class area is interested in. They're all shocked and appalled to find out that 52% of the population are more than unhappy with immigration, despite Corbyns strong support for it.
 

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" ..a sociopathic narcissist whose ideas were fossilised over thirty tears ago and who has surrounded himself with advisors, some of whom are merely incompetent but some who are genuinely sinister …"

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The sole basis for calling UKIP racist has been their immigration policy!

If Corbyn steals their clothes in an attempt to stop further loss of working class votes to UKIP then he is as much a racist as they are!
UKIP are racist.
Is UKIP a racist party? These 15 comments would suggest so | Left Foot Forward

Corbyn wants to reform Labour's approach to immigration because it's obvious that the current polices are aimed at securing cheap workers and nothing else. Labour doesn't exist to be a mud guard for a neo liberal policy. Whatever approach they choose I am confident it will represent a fair effort at an immigration policy that spikes the neo liberals, defends the working class and keeps Britain reasonably open.

UKIP warn of the mongol hordes, talk neo liberalism, and lie to their constituents that it's the commies who want free movement and not big business .



UKIP are a waste of space and nasty to boot.
 

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" ..a sociopathic narcissist whose ideas were fossilised over thirty tears ago and who has surrounded himself with advisors, some of whom are merely incompetent but some who are genuinely sinister …"

Robert Harris.

Sunday Times.

One of his leading and best known backers is an extremely nasty person. I imagine he is one of those referred to by Harris.
 

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Ah yeah, scratch the surface of the lefty intelligentsia and you see unadulterated contempt for the average working man.

The "working class" are not interested in the debates that are being had in university debating societies, or in hipster coffee shops in Hackney. Corbyn and his gang of student radicals have hijacked Labour and they show no signs of giving it back, despite most having little or no concept of what a working class area is interested in. They're all shocked and appalled to find out that 52% of the population are more than unhappy with immigration, despite Corbyns strong support for it.
Corbyn doesn't hate immigrants. He does seem to want to end free movement. He does recognize that the current set up is that created by the neo liberal powers .

Corbyn highjacked Labour? What, off the Blairites? They high jacked Labour and made it a safe space for trendy neo liberals who thought the Conservatives were too square but who otherwise had no disagreement with them.

Good for him he high jacked it.
 

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He does recognize that the current set up is that created by the neo liberal powers .
I don't even know what that means, but he has clearly stated that he is a supporter of immigration. Working class areas overwhelmingly reject this. He should resign if he had any sense of shame, rather than claiming to represent (or even understand) working class opinion. Like all the trendie lefties, he hasn't got the slightest clue what the working class want, and is all about patiently explaining to them how socialism is the answer to problems they don't have.
 

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"Neoliberalism": convenient slogan, but an empty one — unless you are prepared to give your personal definition.

There are infinite varieties Of "neoliberalism". In US politics, Trump and Bernie Sanders are both "anti-neoliberals". Similarly Syria, Podemos, the French National Front, Uncle Tom Cobbley an' all are entitled to wave the anti-neoliberal banner.

One thing all these anti-neoliberal share is a kind of tribalism — which comes down to "we hate that lot!" That lot being any identifiable "out group" of choice: migrants, foreigners, people of different skin complexion, or different faith, bankers, politicians, ... Not surprisingly, then, there were aspects of the #Brexit campaign that go beyond xenophobia into bigotry and racism.

However, if the undefined "neoliberalism" to which we are here objecting is the market economy and "austerity", there still are serious problems.

"Austerity" in the UK has meant shifting the tax-burden from one tier of society to another, benefitting the retired at the expense of the employed, retrenching public expenditure on the welfare bill which doesn't go to pensions, restricting wage rises, picking-and-choosing more choosily where remaining public investment is made...
 

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This could be a big vote-winner for Labour.



Let’s be absolutely clear on the immigration issue. If Britain leaves the European Union, the free movement of people, of labour, will then come to an end.”
 

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Do you really think anyone who is genuinely "working class" gives two figs about Palestine or "neo-liberalism"? Corbyn is a neo-liberal squatter.
Anyone who is human should give two figs about Palestine.
 

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This could be a big vote-winner for Labour.
Big vote winner for SF as well.

Ordinary folk don't want their labour undermined by hoards of third worlders.

There arw a few million bus drivers plumbers and doctors :eek: out there ready to come in and tak ur jabs :)
 


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