Cork Hurling Mess

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Firstly, I appreciate this is a Thread on a sporting issue but the term Politics means "the process by which groups of people make decisions". In the sporting issue at hand unfortunately the two opposing groups could not come to a decision by way of agreement, so this debacle has now intensified to a higher and more serious level.

Secondly there are a considerable number of Cork posters here (or any other posters for that matter) who might like to give an informed opinion on this. Smart remarks from those uninterested aren't appreciated.

Statement issued by Gerald McCarthy, Cork Hurling Manager within the past 24 hours;

'The refusal of the players to meet all parties; Olann Kelleher, the independent chairman, or any other independent person, simply confirms for me that there never has been any serious intent by the leaders of this dispute to try to resolve the current issues,' the statement began.

'I believe their attitude to the independent chairman whose sole interest, as a keen follower of all Cork sport, was to broker a solution, has been offhand and obstructive.

'I would like to thank Olann for all his efforts to resolve the issues.

'Efforts by the County Board and myself to resolve this impasse have been going on since October. We have not, as some commentators have suggested, been sitting on our hands. The player representatives who last year refused to allow Kieran Mulvey and Padraic Duffy meet with all the players, also refused a similar request by me in November.

'The best efforts of Jimmy Barry Murphy, Tomas Mulcahy and Dr Con Murphy came to nothing because of the players' attitude. In the past fortnight, the players refused to meet me although I had turned up to meet them.

'A few days later, having apparently agreed to meet with me, the players then indicated that they would not meet with selectors Teddy McCarthy and John Keane. Having changed their minds on that, they now refuse to meet under Olann Kelleher. No-one on the management team, whatever our faults, has any such illusions about our own importance.

'This has been one of the saddest periods in Cork hurling. The players, having agreed to participate in a unique process outlined by Kieran Mulvey, reneged on it. The players never put forward an alternative name to mine during the five meetings of the selection process.

'The players wished to interview managerial candidates. I am not aware of any sport which would allow current players to interview candidates who would become their managers or coaches.

'The player leaders walked out of the process and, despite giving their word to the contrary in last year's dispute, went on strike.

'The players want the right to veto the appointment of the county manager, and effectively appoint their own manager. They don't accept that different perspectives to their own are worthy of any consideration. And when those who claim representative status for all the players don't get exactly what they want, they walk away and reach for a placard.

'Does any real or perceived grievance justify the damage that has been done to Cork hurling?

'I find the efforts to pressurise members of the current panel not to turn out for Cork as very hard to take. The image of senior players trying to get young players not to turn out for Cork is one that should make every hurling follower feel very uncomfortable. The players involved seem not only to wish to decide who their manager should be but would also determine who should and shouldn't play for Cork.

'Some of the commentary on the dispute has been very unfair and has made no attempt to examine the issues involved. The treatment of the players as having no responsibility for their actions, on or off the field, has simply made resolution more difficult.

'Likewise, there is an undercurrent of undeclared conflicts of interest surrounding this dispute which has been far from fair, decent or transparent and which, in time, will probably emerge.

'There are a few constants in my view of hurling. The overriding one is that it is an absolute honour to play for Cork and to follow the great names that went before.

'I am not interested anymore in negotiating with last year's panel. I have done everything possible to facilitate a solution. It's time to move on.

'My full attention for the next two years will be on the players who have come forward to play with Cork. This season's squad have been deprived of the help and guidance of more experienced players because of this dispute and that is a pity.

'The Cork public needs to support them and be patient and encouraging. The young players are putting a huge effort into training for the National League and will go abroad in April for intensive training.

'In time they will be joined by others who want to play for their county. There will always be a welcome from me and my management team for any player who wants to play for Cork.'


McCarthy also gave an interview to RTE this evening which can be watched here; GAA Championship Media Player

Further words on the crisis from the Evening Echo today;

IT’S FULL steam ahead for the league and the championship according to Gerald McCarthy after proposed talks with the striking hurlers under independent chairman Olann Kelleher failed to get off the ground. The Cork hurling manager says he is fully focused on the league opener at home to
Dublin on February 7 with his new team, after Olann Kelleher withdrew from the process last night. McCarthy released a statement which declared he is
no longer not interested in trying to negotiate with the county’s striking hurlers.

“Firstly, I want to put the record straight as regards why the current situation has been arrived at,” he said this morning. “The fact is that the players refused to meet under Olann Kelleher or for that matter any
other independent chairman and that is why Olann has now walked away.”

A confidentiality clause prevents the independent chairman Olann Kelleher from commenting on why he resigned from that position. “I’ve had about 10 calls today and I’ve been consistent with every one of them,” Mr Kelleher
explained this morning. “I am bound by the confidentiality clause and haven’t commented one way or the other since the outset,” he said.

None of the 2008 panel would comment when contacted this morning, but it is believed they are banking on public opinion leading to Gerald’s removal,
should the new-look Cork side suffer heavy defeats in their opening league games against Dublin and Tipperary. The panel are maintaining a united front for now, though a number of players have expressed their misgivings about
their stay-away stance at players’ meetings. It appears the players are content to play a waiting game — while holding weekly training sessions under the guidance of Seanie McGrath and Jerry Wallace in Na Piarsaigh and
Mourneabbey — on the basis they could still play in 2009, if Gerald McCarthy is ousted on the back of poor results.

The warring parties had been set to meet this coming Sunday, but the players are now expected to release a statement tonight.

McCarthy said he is hoping to finalise challenge games to prepare for the league. “The situation now is quite simple, I am getting on with the job of preparing Cork for the forthcoming national league and then the championship. My focus will be on that and with that in mind we have arranged a few challenge games against Limerick and Waterford.

“We are down to play Limerick at the weekend, weather permitting
but the main focus will be on the first game of the league against Dublin.”
Given the fact that it’s now a near certainty that he will be without any of the 2008 squad, is he fearful that such an inexperienced unit could struggle
against the Kilkennys, Tipps and Waterfords of this world?

“Let’s give them a fair chance and see what happens. But what I have now at my disposal are players who want to play for Cork, wear the red jersey and
that’s what matters.”


The players (as in the 2008 Panel) may issue a Statement in response later tonight or possibly in early course. I would of course imagine that they will have to issue a Statement to counteract what has been stated by McCarthy or to put forward their views.

Personally I find the whole thing distasteful and this has put a serious blemish on Cork Hurling which will last for considerable time to come, whether or not any resolution is arrived at subsequently.

1. Families have been split over this affair. Cork County Board Chairman Jerry O'Sullivan has two sons in the opposing camp (08 Panel) one being Diarmuid (The Rock) O'Sullivan. An interview with J.O'Sullivan is here: GAA Championship Media Player

2. The replacement Hurlers who have expressed a willingness to play and coming from various Clubs around the County are inexperienced at this level though of course the experience of playing at this Senior Level will do them good. However, certain members of the Cork public siding with the 08 Panel are already referring to the replacements as "scabs".

3. Certain Members of the public have already decided to boycott Cork Hurling matches, some even extending to any Hurling Matches in the County, some are switching Mobile Phone usage from O2, some may protest at Matches, etc.

4. At least one public protest in support of the 08 Panel is being arranged presently - though how far public outcry or input into the situation will go exactly is yet to be determined.

5. The attitude of the County Board/Manager appears to be to proceed on with this entirely new team and if any of the 08 Squad wish to come in they are welcome to do so and basically just see how things progress. The upcoming league matches against Dublin and Tipperary will be extremely difficult encounters now to say the least. The Championship will be another ball game entirely. It may also be the ploy of the 08 Panel now simply to see how things progress and hope for public outcry at consequent results resulting in the resignation of the Manager and giving the County Board egg on its face.

6. There is the thing about the players agreeing previously not to strike again. Whether or not they should have held out previously or been more careful in what they were agreeing to or perhaps they should have been better advised.

7. This has caused splits in GAA Clubs across the County between those standing with the Manager and those supporting the 08 Panel. I've seen it in my own GAA Club.

For a Sport much loved and followed in Cork, this is certainly one of the darkest days in Hurling. I can remember being at Croke Park when the main part of this 08 team effectively beat Kilkenny off the pitch on the way to their winning the 1st of 2 All-Irelands. And it has all come to this point. Shocking really and terribly sad for the sport of Hurling in general.
 


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Screw them.. shower of whingers.. most of the main culprits are now past their prime and want to be players and selectors...

Oh, and go on Tipp..
 

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I love Cork hurling but if they can't sort it out between them then I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It is a shame that Kilkenny will be going for four in a row with no challenge from Cork.
 

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Screw them.. shower of whingers.. most of the main culprits are now past their prime and want to be players and selectors...

Oh, and go on Tipp..
Countrywide opinion would appear to not favour the players ... it should become apparent in Cork relatively soon however whom the public favour

Will be interesting too to see what team Tipp put out against this entirely new Cork Hurling Team in the League, assuming there's no breakthroughs down here before that and that seems very unlikely at this point
 

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I love Cork hurling but if they can't sort it out between them then I'm not going to lose any sleep over it. It is a shame that Kilkenny will be going for four in a row with no challenge from Cork.
There'll be a challenge from Cork for sure this year but as to what sort of a challenge who knows. One thing's for sure: this is one way of testing just how much hurling talent there's around the County these days. I'd never write a Cork team off tho - that's not clever ;)
 

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Being a wexford woman,born and bred, and therefore a hurling fan(don't laugh!!) the situation in Cork is sad for the county!

Have listened to the coverage of it(not all).
On Drivetime sports today the bold Des interviewed a ex cork player(didn't catch his name) who said
1 the players wanted equal represention.(far enough)
2 Wanted no preconditions( again fair enough)
3. BUT under no circumstances would play for ger!!(surely a rather large precondition!!!)

To be honest at this point I don't see that the county board have much choice.
The players should come back and play, swallow their pride for their county..........
If ger is that bad a manager, the players will outlast him(afterall he ain't Brian Cody)

The players have boxed themselves in to a corner and can see no way out!


God ye Cork lads are stubborn!!!!
 

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The players careers are over, Mc,Carthy is tainted by the dispute, Cork GAA damaged irreparably. One big winner. Mr. Murphy gets his own way again.
 

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Being a wexford woman,born and bred, and therefore a hurling fan(don't laugh!!) the situation in Cork is sad for the county!

Have listened to the coverage of it(not all).
On Drivetime sports today the bold Des interviewed a ex cork player(didn't catch his name) who said
1 the players wanted equal represention.(far enough)
2 Wanted no preconditions( again fair enough)
3. BUT under no circumstances would play for ger!!(surely a rather large precondition!!!)

To be honest at this point I don't see that the county board have much choice.
The players should come back and play, swallow their pride for their county..........
If ger is that bad a manager, the players will outlast him(afterall he ain't Brian Cody)

The players have boxed themselves in to a corner and can see no way out!


God ye Cork lads are stubborn!!!!
Nothing wrong with being a Wexford Fan Spidermom, some good players came out of Wexford and it ain't that long since Wexford last won the All-Ireland (1996) :)

I think it was Seanie McGrath who spoke on Drivetime ... he's currently engaged in training the 08 Panel in their absence from the Cork Hurling Squad.

It is all very sad really with people siding with both camps. The players apparently refused to meet Teddy McCarthy as a Selector (he's one of the great Cork Players in my opinion) and I think John Allen (recent Manager when they won the All Ireland in the 2000s) has fallen on the side of the 08 Panel somewhat
 

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Player power leads to pay for play. After the experience in the fai that should be avoided at all costs. Surely there is only solution to the row - two cork teams. Ger gets first pick for his thirty. Then AN other picks from the balance. Only one comes out of munster. The weaker one should then wither away. (or else let the rebellious rebels play for kerry)
 

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The players careers are over, Mc,Carthy is tainted by the dispute, Cork GAA damaged irreparably. One big winner. Mr. Murphy gets his own way again.
Yep, no-one wins from this scenario and seeds of bitterness have been sown which will take a long time to fade, if ever. This has indeed damaged Cork GAA terribly. The question of course is how much. The theory as to whether of course the Footballers will also now jump in to support the Hurlers is flying around but personally I'd think they'll play away as normal - but you never know
 

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Nothing wrong with being a Wexford Fan Spidermom, some good players came out of Wexford and it ain't that long since Wexford last won the All-Ireland (1996) :)

I think it was Seanie McGrath who spoke on Drivetime ... he's currently engaged in training the 08 Panel in their absence from the Cork Hurling Squad.

It is all very sad really with people siding with both camps. The players apparently refused to meet Teddy McCarthy as a Selector (he's one of the great Cork Players in my opinion) and I think John Allen (recent Manager when they won the All Ireland in the 2000s) has fallen on the side of the 08 Panel somewhat
ARA I know!! Hope springs eternal for another great september!!!

You know the joke?
Sooner get beaten by London than Kilkenny!!!

Did text in to Des wondering whether George Mitchell would delay the middle east to sort out Cork hurling first?
 

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ARA I know!! Hope springs eternal for another great september!!!

You know the joke?
Sooner get beaten by London than Kilkenny!!!

Did text in to Des wondering whether George Mitchell would delay the middle east to sort out Cork hurling first?
We might well get beaten by London at the mo ... the "new" Cork Hurling Team got beaten by Waterford IT a week back!

Now there's an idea! Obama to sort out the Cork debacle ... his desk isn't overflowing yet hopefully ... and it is a crisis, it's our Middle East one! :)
 

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We might well get beaten by London at the mo ... the "new" Cork Hurling Team got beaten by Waterford IT a week back!

Now there's an idea! Obama to sort out the Cork debacle ... his desk isn't overflowing yet hopefully ... and it is a crisis, it's our Middle East one! :)

And just as "easy" to sort out!!

Well its up to the yella bellies to sort out the cats so!!!!!

UP WEXFORD!!!!
 

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Further news just breaking on this situation;

The 2008 Cork hurlers have released a statement today outlining their intent to hold a press conference in the near future.

The statement reads: 'Due to the length and complexities of the statements issued by Gerald McCarthy and the Cork County Board on Tuesday and the gravity of the situation, the Cork Senior Hurling panel of 2008 has decided to hold a press conference to deal, in detail, with all of the issues involved in the coming days.'

Details of arrangements will follow when confirmed.


It would seem if and when this Press Conference occurs;

1. That no holds will be barred and hard hitting comments will occur outlining the players version of events. But they were obliged to make comments following those of the County Board and the Manager.

2. As to whether any chance of resolution following the Press Conference gleamed from comments during the Conference will be possible is debatable. Though I doubt it and it is likely only to subsequently entrench both sides further.

The exploits of the Cork Hurlers usually enrich the lives of Cork people for a little and brings some enjoyment during the Championship each year, which would be all the more to be welcomed in the present circumstances and the state of affairs in this country. Fat chance of that now I suspect and possibly for many years to come either.
 

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I feel sorry for Gerald Mac- may not be a great coach/manager but he is a legend of Cork hurling.
I hate to see Gerald Mac against the players while the vindictive pr*** that is using Gerald as a patsy and engineered all this to pay back old scores keeps quiet on the sidelines.

He has presided over the decline of hurling in Cork especially in the City where inability to adapt and interest kids in the game has meant a huge outflow to rugby and soccer, both of which are thriving at underage level due to fantastic community involvement and top class coaching.
City clubs like the Barrs, Rockies, etc which used to produce three or four inter county standard hurlers are struggling to reach even the q final of the club shc.
 

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I've got zero sympathy for the Cork players here. Its not, nor should it be up to them to decide who the manager is. Let the inflated egos sit out the season, and good luck to the young lads who step who actually want to play for their county without ridiculous preconditions.
 

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Firstly I Don,t come from Cork.
The behaviour of the Cork Hurlers remind me of the fall of the Roman Empire.
While the enemy were at the gates. The generals instead of defending the Citadel were inside feasting themselves and arguing about who should be the generals.
They have become fattened by their own importance and consider beneath themselves to get their hands dirty.
By wearing the Cork jersey , the players have an invisible bonus that I suppose 28 other counties would give their left hand for , and that is the REAL chance of winning an All Ireland medal , to all other counties this would be beyond value. Remember the song, "Too many chiefs and not enough Indians" my advice is Bin THE Bigheads.
 
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Couple of things - the ringleaders are yesterdays men. The wouldn't win another AI regardless who is in charge. All still capable of the odd big game, but thats a world away from the consistency that was their hallmark about 4 years ago.

County Board structure and personnel is clearly in dire need of an overhaul, but Donal Og and co are not the ones to do it. If this was settled and they retired gracefully (which they won't) the clubs would move to change the set up.

Players attitude to Gerald McCarthy is disgraceful. The clubs ratified his appointment by about 88-6 or something. The man is absolutely entitled to go about his job as appointed. Players have no place in selecting team managers.

The Cork fans who are backing the players and referring to the young lads who have grasped their chance to live their dream and don the Cork jersey and represent their county, as scabs, are beneath contempt. For a county that prides itself on its sporting tradition any hurling fan worth his salt should support whoever is wearing a Cork jersey.

Finally, for a county with nearly half a million people - more than Waterford, Tipp, and Limerick put together, the refusal of 50 of its best players to turn out should not be a serious problem.
 
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City clubs like the Barrs, Rockies, etc which used to produce three or four inter county standard hurlers are struggling to reach even the q final of the club shc.
The city clubs will continue to lose ground - same in the other cities - the likes of Castlegar and Mellowes in Galway, South Liberties in Limerick - have all gone off the radar in the past quarter of a century too. The old days are never coming back for them.
 


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