Could a coup occur here?

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Dáil Éireann safely evacuated, Large crowd declares Second Irish Republic.

Reports just coming in of a possible bloodless, and successful non violent coup, in Dublin tonight.

Gardai are believed to have stood by, and some are believed to have even assisted, as a tens of thousands of disaffected members of the public took over Dáil Buildings tonight. No injuries are reported.

A group of Irish citizens, not affiliated to any political party, have put in place a temporary provisional government until the first general elections of the Second Irish Republic are held in January. Thy have read a new proclamation at gates of Leinster house, an updated version of the 1916 proclamation, declaring the new republic and a fresh beginning.
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Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ?

How far would things have to go before it could happen ?

What could it achieve, if anything ?




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Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ?

How far would things have to go before it could happen ?

What could it achieve, if anything ?

Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ? Doubtful

How far would things have to go before it could happen ? Economic Collapse

What could it achieve, if anything ? Civil War, unless democracy was promptly restored, in which FG and Lab would probably be voted in
 

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Here is a question.

Is there any way to, in effect, impeach a minister or indeed, government?

To YOUR question, this government would take any and every step available to it to destroy any threat to its position of power, I believe.

I don't think it is possible here.
 

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1798, 1803, 1848, 1867, 1916, 1948.

And you think we're on the second? Please, do feel free to keep up with the history of your nation. As for the colour revolution and proclaiming the 7th Republic I'm all for it. I'm vaguely hopeful it might be happening on Budget Day if enough people show up.
 

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Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ? Yes

How far would things have to go before it could happen ? Greater unemployment, inability to survive.

What could it achieve, if anything ? Either a complete overhaul of our current system of politics or as in the Orange Revolution, nothing.
 

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1798, 1803, 1848, 1867, 1916, 1948.

And you think we're on the second? Please, do feel free to keep up with the history of your nation. As for the colour revolution and proclaiming the 7th Republic I'm all for it. I'm vaguely hopeful it might be happening on Budget Day if enough people show up.
You can it the 7th if you wish, sounds good to me.
 

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No I can't see it happening unless the Government cancelled the election at the end of their term.

In that situation all hell would break lose.

However that would not happen imho.
 

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A coup could occur. But it is naive to think that it would be bloodless or, at the very least, that it would be unopposed. Are the memories of the brutal Garda response to the recent student protest already fading? One must consider that many 1000s of people have a vested interest in the present system continuing, e.g. all the members of the countless quangos, those appointed to boards of semi-state companies and all those in business who owe their success to the corrupt largesse of the political classes. And one must remember that some of those in business are people who largely control the means of communication: radio, newspapers, etc. In short, the establishment is deeply bedded-in in this country and is unlikely to go without a fight, metaphorical or otherwise. Do people really believe that with some fine words, or protests with placards that our brass-necked political establishment (of all parties, FF, FG and Labour) will roll over and go away? This is naivety of the highest order.
 

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Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ?

How far would things have to go before it could happen ?

What could it achieve, if anything ?

Geez, Luigi, I'd love to think so.
But this crowd would never go peacefully, and anybody who thinks the Gardai are independent, after the show arrests of Seanie and Willie McAteer back in March - just to soften the blow on a gullible public of the latest slug of taxpayers money being handed over to Anglo, is kidding themselves.

Any serious effort to remove these fascists would be unpleasantly bloody.
Maybe some unit of disgruntled soldiers, forced by pay cuts onto family income supplement, would do the job for us if the budget cuts are hard enough, but I doubt it.

If you want a real revolution in this country, take the X-Factor off the TV - that would do it.
 

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Do people really believe that with some fine words, or protests with placards that our brass-necked political establishment (of all parties, FF, FG and Labour) will roll over and go away? This is naivety of the highest order.
Perhaps it is my friend, but sometimes naivety can achieve an awful lot. A democratic police or defence force simply cannot stop a peaceful crowd of 100,000 from doing what they want to. Think pensioners and medical cards.

Think Mahatma Gandhi and Daniel O'Connell. I wish we had one now.
 

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Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ? Doubtful

How far would things have to go before it could happen ? Economic Collapse

What could it achieve, if anything ? Civil War, unless democracy was promptly restored, in which FG and Lab would probably be voted in
not unless the guards had their 2nd and 3rd houses repossessed
 

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A coup could occur. But it is naive to think that it would be bloodless or, at the very least, that it would be unopposed.


It's all about numbers. If it's obvious that the whole country is behind it then no way will the cops or the army stand in the way of it. If it's just a minority in favour it can't happen.
 

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Perhaps it is my friend, but sometimes naivety can achieve an awful lot. A democratic police or defence force simply cannot stop a peaceful crowd of 100,000 from doing what they want to. Think pensioners and medical cards.

Think Mahatma Gandhi and Daniel O'Connell. I wish we had one now.
Yes, 100,000 people would be impressive but is this conceivable? Which movement in the country could presently bring 100,000 onto the streets at the moment? Only the Unions (Student and otherwise). However, the Unions are not in the game of political coups, their leaderships being more interested in throwing radical shapes while continuing to sup at the highest tables. Besides, to what movement or ideal would this hypothetical crowd of 100,000 people owe their allegiance? A crowd of this size without a political direction would just be a mob. Do people think change can come out of the blue, without a structure or a movement to give it form? Impossible. What would be the political direction of this mob of 100,000 and who would direct it? In a country where the media has a stranglehold over any political discussion, directing it down avenues of its own choosing, the formation of such an alternative movement is problematic at best. One must remember that Gandhi and Daniel O'Connell had a political framework to which others could adhere. Where is that alternative political framework in this country?
 

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It won’t take repossession, by next year they will be worthless.

Ordinary Guards are working people same as ourselves.
i don't blame the ordinary guard but as public service workers ie. what was seen as a job for life they had mortgages thrown at them
talking to one guy in the civil service went in to enquire about a mortgage the other year claims the bank was actually harassing him phoning him constantly was he going to take the mortgage?
that was the mindset of the banks, bankers on acid
 

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Yes, 100,000 people would be impressive but is this conceivable? Which movement in the country could presently bring 100,000 onto the streets at the moment?
25,000 turned up over the pensioners medical cards, a very small proportion of their population and the policy was overturned. U2 could eaisly draw 100,000 people over any simple cause. A common purpose is all that is needed. Change.

One must remember that Gandhi and Daniel O'Connell had a political framework to which others could adhere.
A very simple one, Ordinary people, inspired en masse, can make a difference.

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25,000 turned up over the pensioners medical cards, a very small proportion of their population and the policy was overturned. U2 could eaisly draw 100,000 people. A common purpose is all that is needed. Change.
Pensioners are FF's core constituency. Its the fear of losing those votes that changed the government's mind.
 
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Could a bloodless, non violent, coup happen here ?
I think what most people don't realise is that we have already had a coup, an economic one...the financial interest of this country were taken over by a small group of people who allied to the FF party grew so large that country had to bail them out..they have taken over the economic functioning of this country...
 


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