Could Communism Have Survived in Eastern Europe?

General Urko

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The Berlin Wall is nearly as long gone now as it was errected! I thought it was going to be a permanent fixture throughout my lifetime and I'm very glad that it is gone!
Walter Ulbricht was shafted by Honecher in the early 70s when he suggested THe GDR needed to reform into a more market style economy and in turn the writing was on the wall for the latter when he suggested on a visit to West Germany, that there would come a day when there would be no borders between East and West Germany.
Is there any foreseeable way that Communism/Stallinism could have survived in Easter Europe?
 


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No No and No, communism is a failed totalitarian ideology best confined to the dustbin of history.
 

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I have never met, or befriended, an Eastern European living in Ireland who believed so or wanted so.

But hey, they tend to be the ambitious ones.
 

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Yes. It should have liberalized around the issue of treating Marxism as a stand in Religious orthodoxy. It's central problem was that the "West" had better propaganda and not better economics.
 

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It's an impossible question to answer as it was under permanent siege by the western powers right from the invasions of the Soviet Union in the '20s and '40s and the economic blockades and sabotage. The Communist Party of China and others seem to be developing their countries in the interests of their people and finding a socialist form of development that can survive and stand up to the aggression.
 

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I have never met, or befriended, an Eastern European living in Ireland who believed so or wanted so.

But hey, they tend to be the ambitious ones.
Like attracts like; maybe you were meeting or befriending trashy people? One of the wisest people I ever met was German who came from a minor Aristocratic family and grew up in the DDR with his parents always moaning about the Government and fantasizing about the wonders that would follow about it being joined to the West. When the Wall fell they started to see drugs and prostitution rapidly seep in, people become ruder and more selfish. His father says that the Russians might have imprisoned our bodies but American completely destroyed our soul.
 

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The Communist Party of China and others seem to be developing their countries in the interests of their people and finding a socialist form of development that can survive and stand up to the aggression.
China is now communist in name only. The Communist party has only survived because it adopted capitalism.

As I said, China today is communist in name only.
 

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No, people choose freedom whenever it is an option.
Freedom? Look most people will never own their own business for a start so surely they would be free working together as community for communal needs than slaving away for what a lot of times amount as other people's greed?

Also there is no freedom in drug addiction or in prostitution which what followed fast on with the "Wall" coming down.
 

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Like attracts like; maybe you were meeting or befriending trashy people? One of the wisest people I ever met was German who came from a minor Aristocratic family and grew up in the DDR with his parents always moaning about the Government and fantasizing about the wonders that would follow about it being joined to the West. When the Wall fell they started to see drugs and prostitution rapidly seep in, people become ruder and more selfish. His father says that the Russians might have imprisoned our bodies but American completely destroyed our soul.
Give me a definition of "a minor aristrocratic family". I smell made- up bullsh!t here.
 

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Freedom? Look most people will never own their own business for a start so surely they would be free working together as community for communal needs than slaving away for what a lot of times amount as other people's greed?

Also there is no freedom in drug addiction or in prostitution which what followed fast on with the "Wall" coming down.
More bollox. Drugs and prostitution was always in the GDR as well. It was only well hidden.
 

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One viewing of the film 'Das Leben der Anderen' (The Lives of Others) would have one believe that there was no chance communism could endure.... I agree.
 

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Everybody tried to get out at the first possible real chance...fact !
 

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It's an impossible question to answer as it was under permanent siege by the western powers right from the invasions of the Soviet Union in the '20s and '40s and the economic blockades and sabotage. The Communist Party of China and others seem to be developing their countries in the interests of their people and finding a socialist form of development that can survive and stand up to the aggression.
I spot a few skeletons in the cupboard there. And none of it was in the interest of the people. Nothing is worth that.
 

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Maybe if the Soviet Union and Its Eastern European colonies had gone down the Chinese route in the 1970's the Communist Parties may very well have survived.
 

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Went through some parts behind the Iron Curtain B4 it fell

Late 60s early 70s

Ireland was a far richer place than anything I saw over there

But to be fair I think they had the basics covered

Didn't see any poverty per se

- but it seemed very dull and dry

People were nice though
 

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Freedom? Look most people will never own their own business for a start so surely they would be free working together as community for communal needs than slaving away for what a lot of times amount as other people's greed?

Also there is no freedom in drug addiction or in prostitution which what followed fast on with the "Wall" coming down.
Yeah, because there was no prostitution behind the iron curtain :roll:
 

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Went through some parts behind the Iron Curtain B4 it fell

Late 60s early 70s

Ireland was a far richer place than anything I saw over there

But to be fair I think they had the basics covered

Didn't see any poverty per se

- but it seemed very dull and dry

People were nice though
Better educated and more skilled, I'd imagine? Far superior health service to boot.

It was a lot less dilapidated than was portrayed to us.
 

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Everybody tried to get out at the first possible real chance...fact !
Strangely enough many Osties went home again after sampling Life in the Bundesrepublik

From the Cradle to the Grave suited many people just fine

- rather than the Dog eat Dog Culture of the West

Obviously most didn't go back

Met a woman who fled the East

When she went to West Berlin she always took the plane

- too risky by road if you got stopped by the Border Police.
 


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