Could Direct Rule break the Stormont Impasse?

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Opinion on the nationalist side of the divide has been squarely against a return to direct rule from London as a resolution to the collapse of devolution. History has many grounds for Irish nationalism to be suspicious of Britain’s neutrality as an intermediary in such talks, however some recent developments not least the DUP’s intransigence necessitates a change in tactics.

  1. 1. Of the two issues at stake, an Irish language act was promised by the British government as part of the St Andrews Agreement;
  2. 2. The British-Irish Council allowed for ministerial summits up to the highest levels of both governments and the current impasse would suggest its a reasonable time to revive that body.
The Brexit context of course should not be forgotten- with Europe’s position hardening, Britain needs allies and the current Northern situation is alienating the one country they had counted on to assist them, namely us. It’s my contention therefore that both governments hold a British-Irish council as soon as possible, and agree to a limited period of direct rule (say 3 months with elections to be held upon expiration of that time limit). In that time frame Westminster would introduce private members bills allowing for the three pieces of cultural legislation agreed last week, that the ECHR would continue to apply in the North post Brexit for obvious historical reasons and for gay marriage. The quid pro quo would be Ireland agitating for some form of leniency from Brussels in the ongoing negotiations, especially with regard to the transition period and costs.

This approach would benefit the British government too- such bills would pass with overwhelming bi-partisan support in Westminster and could assist May in taking back control of the Tory party from the Brexiteer factions. A long shot maybe but politics is the art of the possible. It would also allow the DUP a to return to power-sharing without breaking promises to their voters, such Westminster votes being their cherished British parliamentary politics in action.
 


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Wouldn't indirect rule be less aggressive? Say for example we refined each governing decision to a few options and then let the dice decide.
 

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The Alliance party are against power-sharing.

Is it because they know long term neither Nat/Rep or Unionism/Loyalists will have a majority and they will be kingmakers?
 

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Direct rule from London by ministers no one in NI elected or can be held accountable to - that is not democracy so clear as day as to why the Undemocratic Unionist Party want it so much
 

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  1. 1. Of the two issues at stake, an Irish language act was promised by the British government as part of the St Andrews Agreement;

Unlike decommissioning, hem hem, there was no time frame - and more importantly, it was to depend on how things are going language wise in Wales and The ROI ..... how are things going in the ROI? If SF were to take their seats in Westminster they could ask the Government to set up a study to assess the success or otherwise of measures in the ROI such as billions spent over the past few Years on Irish Language teaching..... or how many people chose to fill in their census forms as Gaeilge ....
 

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Unlike decommissioning, hem hem, there was no time frame - and more importantly, it was to depend on how things are going language wise in Wales and The ROI ..... how are things going in the ROI? If SF were to take their seats in Westminster they could ask the Government to set up a study to assess the success or otherwise of measures in the ROI such as billions spent over the past few Years on Irish Language teaching..... or how many people chose to fill in their census forms as Gaeilge ....
I filled it in in Irish. Chuir mé mo freagrí as Gaeilge. I don't expect to be rewarded for it. It will probably take a Labour government in the UK to bring in Acht na Gaeilge. The current shadow secretary of state is a Welsh man. And he understands the need for minority languages to be respected.
 

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The current Karen Bradley Secretary of State for here as already indicated that there will not be direct rule but they are going for new Assembly elections in a few months time to buy time for the DUP to change its leader and attitude-
 

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Direct rule from London by ministers no one in NI elected or can be held accountable to - that is not democracy so clear as day as to why the Undemocratic Unionist Party want it so much
Neither is having no government, 13 months and an election after collapsing.. then both elected parties refusing to go back to government while blaming the other side.
 

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Opinion on the nationalist side of the divide has been squarely against a return to direct rule from London as a resolution to the collapse of devolution. History has many grounds for Irish nationalism to be suspicious of Britain’s neutrality as an intermediary in such talks, however some recent developments not least the DUP’s intransigence necessitates a change in tactics.
No the current bit of crap from the DUP does not need for the UK to go back to direct rule.
 

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Neither is having no government, 13 months and an election after collapsing.. then both elected parties refusing to go back to government while blaming the other side.
Do you know that their is a brexit going on?
 
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Could be a cunning plan by SF to get ssm by collapsing the institutions and getting direct rule to legislate for it.
 

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Do you know that their is a brexit going on?
Of course, it is one of the main reasons we need government here in NI. As much as I distrust SF/DUP in government, I trust a Tory government in England even less to deliver for NI.
 

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Unlike decommissioning, hem hem, there was no time frame - and more importantly, it was to depend on how things are going language wise in Wales and The ROI ..... how are things going in the ROI? If SF were to take their seats in Westminster they could ask the Government to set up a study to assess the success or otherwise of measures in the ROI such as billions spent over the past few Years on Irish Language teaching..... or how many people chose to fill in their census forms as Gaeilge ....

This is an extract from the St Andrews Agreement relevant to the Irish Language:

The Government will introduce an Irish Language Act reflecting on the experience of
Wales and Ireland and work with the incoming Executive to enhance and protect the
development of the Irish language.

You are being deliberately misleading, at best, by giving the impression that this clause in the Agreement is dependent on the current state or usage of Welsh or Irish . The clause refers to the "experience" meaning the structures such as education etc that have been put in place to support and nurture those languages.

Your usual bigoted and biased attitude is plain for all to see.
 

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Of course, it is one of the main reasons we need government here in NI. As much as I distrust SF/DUP in government, I trust a Tory government in England even less to deliver for NI.
At this stage I cannot see how Northern Ireland as a political unit will ever work. Up to this point Nationalism has always been looking for the compromise, John Hume, Shamus Mallon even Martin Mc Guinness. The lack of respect shown to nationalism from Unionism at all levels has eroded whatever good will their ever was.
 

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At this stage I cannot see how Northern Ireland as a political unit will ever work. Up to this point Nationalism has always been looking for the compromise, John Hume, Shamus Mallon even Martin Mc Guinness. The lack of respect shown to nationalism from Unionism at all levels has eroded whatever good will their ever was.
I think you know sweet eff all about recent history. McGuinness was never a Nationalist and Hume and Mallon were never Republicans.
 

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At this stage I cannot see how Northern Ireland as a political unit will ever work. Up to this point Nationalism has always been looking for the compromise, John Hume, Shamus Mallon even Martin Mc Guinness. The lack of respect shown to nationalism from Unionism at all levels has eroded whatever good will their ever was.
Even today an 1837 penal law requires all British court proceedings in Ireland to be conducted in English.
 

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Neither is having no government, 13 months and an election after collapsing.. then both elected parties refusing to go back to government while blaming the other side.
DUP ran away from the deal at the last minister- but it helps you to sleep at night if you don’t get of the fence to blame one side-
 


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