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Could Lee Oswald have really killed JFK?


niropiro

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Below is a video segment from a 1967 CBS documentary which examines whether Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged assassin of President John F. Kennedy could have fired 3 shots with his bolt action rifle in less than 6 secs and hit a moving target.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsOEJF6qoy4&feature=related]YouTube - CBS News Inquiry June 25 1967 Part 5[/ame]

Below is a segment of an animation created by Dale Myers based on the famous Zapruder film showing what Oswald would have seen through his rifle scope.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbbIjki-HLo&feature=related]YouTube - Kennedy assassination shooting sequence[/ame]

Below is a drawing showing how President Kennedy and Governor Connally were struck by a single bullet.



This diagram shows how Kennedy was struck by a final fatal shot to the head.

 

Dunlin3

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Well in nearly 50 years a truely credible alternative has not emerged. If there are others out there that did it then many people were very good at keeping secrets for a long time.
 

CookieMonster

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The jews did it.

 

dresden8

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The lee enfield was capable of firing 15 to 30 aimed shots per minute.

Even though Oswald wasn't using a Lee Enfield it's well within the bounds of possibility.

He was a marine, and a trained rifleman.

That's first shot at zero, and two shots within the next 6 seconds. Well achievable.

Origin of the "mad minute"

The fast-operating Lee bolt-action and large magazine capacity enabled a well-trained rifleman to perform the "Mad minute" firing 20 to 30 aimed rounds in 60 seconds, making the Lee-Enfield the fastest military bolt-action rifle of the day. The current world record for aimed bolt-action fire was set in 1914 by a musketry instructor in the British Army—Sergeant Instructor Snoxall—who placed 38 rounds into a 12-inch-wide (300 mm) target at 300 yards (270 m) in one minute.
Longer range than Oswald allegedly fired at.

Personally I think the Oswald story stinks, but we gotta get the facts in perspective first. 3 well aimed shots in 6 seconds is not impossible.
 

niropiro

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Well in nearly 50 years a truely credible alternative has not emerged. If there are others out there that did it then many people were very good at keeping secrets for a long time.
You might be interested in listening to this speech by the famous prosecution attorney Vincent Bugliosi who wrote a definitive book on the assassination called Reclaiming History. He is convinced of Oswald guilt but is dismayed that the overwhelming majority of the American public believe there was a conspiracy and the same overwhelming majority have never read the Warren Commission Report which should have laid those suspicions to rest.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JktLkQbtVbE&feature=related]YouTube - Vincent Bugliosi: No Evidence for JFK / Oswald Conspiracies[/ame]
 

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the same overwhelming majority have never read the Warren Commission Report which should have laid those suspicions to rest.
The same way Widgery should have laid the Bloody Sunday concerns to rest?

We know how this govenment sponsored sh1t works. Seriously, don't ask for our trust.
 

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Why is this being left on the open forum, when a thread on the Bilderberg Group was binned?
 

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I have some experience in this matter and my considered opinion is,[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKkk2Bu7PZY]YouTube - Goin' to the Zoo ~ Tom Paxton cover[/ame]see you there.
 

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-cri43ttTo]YouTube - JFK Zapruder Film Closeup[/ame]

In the Zapruder film we can see 3 reactions to gun fire by both JFK and Connally.

After frame 157, President Kennedy's head snaps to the right and he stops waving his right hand for a moment while Texas Governor Connally turns his body around to the right and looks over his shoulder.

At frames 223-224, Connally's right jacket lapel bulges out - the bullet that struck both men has just exited his right chest. As the limousin continues to emerge from behind the roadsign, Kennedy's hands snap up to neck and Connally cries out in pain. It is quite clear both men have been hit at the same time by the same bullet - striking Kennedy in the back of the neck, exiting his throat, hitting Connally in the back, exiting his chest, smashing his right wrist and coming to rest in the flesh of his left thigh.

At frame 313 Kennedy is struck by the fatal shot to the head.
In the subsequent frames you can see the extensive wound in the top front right of the skull - clearly an exit wound from a bullet that came from above and behind.
Mrs Connally has pulled her husband into her lap and after the shot which blows matter over them, the Connally's roll away from the direction of the gunfire.

The 'back and to left' movement beloved of conspiracy theorists as supposed proof of a grassy knoll headshot was in fact caused by the 'jet' of exploding matter from the head which was experimentally proven by Nobel physicist, Dr. Luis Alvarez.

The Zapruder film demonstrates the sequence of the shots - between frames 157 and 313 running at 18.3 frames per sec - which gives a shooter in the sixth floor of the TSBD more than enough time to get off three shots with a bolt-action rifle.

Oswald undoubtedly committed the murder.
 
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Destiny's Soldier

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the same bullet - striking Kennedy in the back of the neck, exiting his throat,
Not true. Kennedy was hit a the level of the 3rd thorassic vertebrae between the shoulder blades. You're believing Warren commission fiction.





See the death cert from JFK's Physician.


And here's the magic bullet with no blood or no loss of material or deformity.



Some the fragments taken from Connallys wrist.

The Oswald theory is a joke. He was posthumously blamed. The man who killed Oswald while in police custody, on live TV, was an informant for Richard Nixon right back to 1948.

In his final public words, former President Gerald R. Ford said the CIA destroyed or kept from investigators critical secrets connected to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The stunning admission by Ford—a member of the Warren Commission that investigated the JFK assassination—is contained in the foreword to a new edition of the commission's report, A Presidential Legacy and The Warren Commission. Ford died in late 2006 at the age of 93.

In the new book, Ford said the commission's probe put "certain classified and potentially damaging operations in danger of being exposed." The CIA's reaction, he added, "was to hide or destroy some information, which can easily be misinterpreted as collusion in JFK's assassination." Two other U.S. presidents have expressed doubts about the commission's finding that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone in the JFK assassination. On tapes released in recent years, Lyndon B. Johnson said he did not believe the single gunman theory; and Richard M. Nixon said the commission pulled off "the greatest hoax that has ever been perpetuated."

It is also now known that Ford made a key change in the commission's final report—a change that made the single-shooter theory easier to believe. He revised the description of the bullet wound in President Kennedy's back and placed it higher to make "the magic bullet" theory plausible, enabling the commission to conclude that Oswald was the lone gunman.
Former President Ford Admits CIA Compromised the Warren Commission's Probe of JFK Assassination | Crime Magazine


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaH-lGafwtE]YouTube - The President Who Told The TRUTH[/ame]
 

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Unsolved History simulated the assassination on the Discovery Channel and an eyewitness said that the impact was almost identical to the Oswald 'sole assassin' theory in terms of the direction of blood-splatter in the car. Case closed.
 

Ramzi Nohra

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Read Case Closed by Gerald Posner, and it's impossible to believe in anything other than the Lone Gunman after that.

Case Closed : Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK: Amazon.co.uk: Gerald L. Posner: Books

In particular, Posner debunks all the myths of Oliver Stone's JFK. The Jim Garrison that emerges from this book was just another crooked lawyer on the make.

How does Posner cover the Jack Ruby involvement though?

That to me is the real evidence in favour of a conspiracy. Why would a mafia-linked individual who hated kennedy kill his killer? Ruby himself came up with no credible reason, stating he did it so that people would know "The Jews could be tough". Years later he did hint that other people made him do it and that they would never face justice.

FWIW in the book by Irish -American hitman Frank Sheeran "I heard you paint houses", Sheeran claims the killing was a mafia hit and he knew people directly involved in it. They were a tad annoyed that JFK had used mafia help to get elected and then turned on them.

One other thing - Oswald had defected to Russia a couple of years earlier then returned to the US. No official sanctions were taken against him - pretty odd for a military defector at the height of the cold war. Smacks a bit of him coming to some accomodation with the secret state.
 

redtoothclaw

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Not true. Kennedy was hit a the level of the 3rd thorassic vertebrae between the shoulder blades. You're believing Warren commission fiction.

JFK's shirt and suit jacket rode up behind his neck as he sat in the backseat of the limousine. That was why the bullet hole is lower on both the jacket and shirt than the actual wound in the back of his neck.



This the real position of the wound.



Was Kennedy's Jacket Bunched When He Was Hit in the Back?
 

redtoothclaw

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The conspiracy theorists always show the 'pristine' bullet but never show the true damage.



The bullet created an elliptical wound in Connally's upper back to the rear of his right armpit - it was yawing having already struck an object.
Kennedy's neck was directly in line with the path of the bullet which means it must have struck him before it hit Connally.
The passage through flesh in Kennedy's neck had served as a brake which meant that the bullet was not hopelessly mangled or fragmented when it broke Connally's fifth rib - it was moving sideways at this point - and when it smashed Connally's radius bone.
This is why the nose was not flattened and why the bullet's cross section was oval.
There was lead pushed out of the base of the bullet which explains why minute bullet fragments were left inside Connally's body.
The bullet landed base first in the Governor's thigh creating the superficial wound.
Because it was sticking out of his leg, it fell onto his stretcher - possibly when the emergency personnel at Parkland hospital were cutting off his pants.
 
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redtoothclaw

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That to me is the real evidence in favour of a conspiracy. Why would a mafia-linked individual who hated kennedy kill his killer? Ruby himself came up with no credible reason, stating he did it so that people would know "The Jews could be tough". Years later he did hint that other people made him do it and that they would never face justice.
Ruby was mentally retarded with the intellect of a child and had violent mood swings.
If he was a mob hitman he was very careless about getting to position to carry out the supposed mob hit on Oswald wasn't he?
His Western Union ticket shows that wire transfered money to a girl who worked in his strip joint about two minutes before he crossed the street and walked down the ramp into the underground garage below the Dallas Police HQ.
There's no way he could have known Oswald was going to be led out in front of the press within seconds of getting into position.
The man carried a .38 revolver because he frequently carried around a lot of money.
He just acted on the spur of the moment and gunned Oswald down.
If the conspirators wanted to 'whack' Oswald why did they do it on live national television? Why did they wait until 1967 to 'whack' Ruby with a 'fake' cancer related illness? If Ruby was also murdered was his murderer also 'whacked' and his murderer and his murderer etc etc.
This is a conspiracy TOO LARGE.
There is no way to keep a lid on such a vast plot.
 
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