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Could your hospital be privatised?

Breanainn

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Colette Browne has just unearthed the following clause in the Programme of Government, which suggests that under-performing hospitals could be transferred to the ownership of private operators:

"We will provide for the temporary transfer of hospitals to another provider, where there are consistently poor outcomes, patient experiences and financial management ...Service providers who fail to meet their targets, will be obliged to use their own budgets to ensure targets are met with the assistance of private sector providers.

https://mobile.twitter.com/colettebrowne/status/729250527771561985
 


ger12

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How much less has been available to health since FG took office?
 

ger12

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Redacted will be delighted.
You think the Beacon Hospital (he bought a large chunk of the Beacon along with Siteserv and Topaz at a knock down price, borrowing the money to do so?) will be a winner if this happens?
https://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/04/08/ten-things-to-know-about-the-denis-obriensiteserv-transaction/

Since 2011, the FG/Lab cuts in health spending represent €1.7bn while government subventions to Irish Water are at €2.7bn.
https://padraigomara.com/2016/02/05/budget-cuts-2008-2015/

They bled the health service and made a balls in policy, resulting in the current crisis. Reversing power from the HSE back to Reillys grubby hands.

So, now we're to had the keys over to the "private sector" eh .... don't ya just love Enda.
 

firefly123

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The standard approach.
A public service that can be monetised...... Run service down to the point that it is failing..... Run a media campaign blaming the staff..... Rabble gets angry..... Promise it will be improved by private interests..... Rabble bay for it to happen..... Private interests take it over and make things better for a while..... Price goes up and up..... Service goes down and down..... Government go "what can we do? It's private!"
Rinse repeat.
 

ger12

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Nothing to do of course with massive increase in public debt.
Didn't Howlin increase the amount of money TD's could spend on PR during that period ....
 

Socratus O' Pericles

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The standard approach.
A public service that can be monetised...... Run service down to the point that it is failing..... Run a media campaign blaming the staff..... Rabble gets angry..... Promise it will be improved by private interests..... Rabble bay for it to happen..... Private interests take it over and make things better for a while..... Price goes up and up..... Service goes down and down..... Government go "what can we do? It's private!"
Rinse repeat.
About the size of it.
 

Coles

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Typical FG taxation policy. Another transfer of wealth from the poorer workers to the better off.

How so? Under this proposal someone on 70k can reclaim 40k of their income tax on a 300k new house purchase while someone on 50k per annum can only reclaim 25k on the same transaction. This is a deliberate transfer of wealth to the wealthy.

While it is likely that this measure will cause an inflation in new house prices to absorb the VAT rebate (5-10% possibly as developers do a bit of price gouging), it is also likely that there will be an unintended consequence of cutting demand for second hand houses and undermining these prices by 10-15%.
 

nakatomi

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Was done in Australia, the privatized hospitals had to be taken back into public ownership.
 

Harmonica

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The standard approach.
A public service that can be monetised...... Run service down to the point that it is failing..... Run a media campaign blaming the staff..... Rabble gets angry..... Promise it will be improved by private interests..... Rabble bay for it to happen..... Private interests take it over and make things better for a while..... Price goes up and up..... Service goes down and down..... Government go "what can we do? It's private!"
Rinse repeat.
That would be fine if the Public health system performed in the past so there is something to run down.

We should have either full NHS style system or full private insurance model. Either model will require big increase in spending but we continue to vote on the basis either no more money needed or someone else will pay.
 

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FG's programme has always been the privatisation of health care in this country - to the benefit of multinational health providers, insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies. It is outlined in detail in their 2011 manifesto.
 

cobhguy

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A lot of Irish hospital group are privately owned run. There is a different between a privately run hospital and a for profit hospital.
 

firefly123

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That would be fine if the Public health system performed in the past so there is something to run down.

We should have either full NHS style system or full private insurance model. Either model will require big increase in spending but we continue to vote on the basis either no more money needed or someone else will pay.
We always ran a bastardised two tier frankenstein model in health. That or let the nuns do it.
 

Uganda

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The standard approach.
A public service that can be monetised...... Run service down to the point that it is failing..... Run a media campaign blaming the staff..... Rabble gets angry..... Promise it will be improved by private interests..... Rabble bay for it to happen..... Private interests take it over and make things better for a while..... Price goes up and up..... Service goes down and down..... Government go "what can we do? It's private!"
Rinse repeat.
Typical public servant mind set to regard the public as rabble.
 

firefly123

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Typical public servant mind set to regard the public as rabble.
Not the public. Just mouthy arséholes who write for and those who believe everything they are fed by the right wing media.
The public saw through the same effort with Irish water.
 
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slippy wicket

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The op is an incorrect analysis.
It's in reality a reference to the treatment purchase fund.
Colette was being a bit too ideological
 

SilverSpurs

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Colette Browne has just unearthed the following clause in the Programme of Government, which suggests that under-performing hospitals could be transferred to the ownership of private operators:

"We will provide for the temporary transfer of hospitals to another provider, where there are consistently poor outcomes, patient experiences and financial management ...Service providers who fail to meet their targets, will be obliged to use their own budgets to ensure targets are met with the assistance of private sector providers.

https://mobile.twitter.com/colettebrowne/status/729250527771561985
Hallelujah, we can finally rescue the health service from the clutches of the trade unions and we can look forward to an actual health service and not a slush fund for the unions.
 

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